what cam or custom cam can i get that wont need rockers and so

I honestly don't know why you would want to do that. I'd do rockers (+ springs) first or at least with the cam. Doing only a small cam is a lot of work for little gain. Some full roller rockers and a bump up in ratio would help you get the best out of the deal.

problem isn't the rockers really, it's the springs. the stock stamped rockers can handle a bit more lift no problem (they will have a wear pattern at the valve tip and should be cleaned up, at least), but your springs are approaching binding territory

hell, even throwing 1.6 rockers on stock springs is asking for trouble

so the answer is, the only cam you can run with an otherwise stock valvetrain is one that only messes with duration and overlap a little bit, has no real improvement in lift

yeah, you could get a custom grind that has a more optimal duration and all that, and improve stuff quite a bit on the low end, if you're doing it just to be different, but why not get some cheap roller tip rockers and springs?

best off on a budget build to get comp cams 'roller tip' rockers, even the 1.5 ratio ones, and some cheapo beehive springs. they'll drop right in, no mods to the valve covers, stock studs, stock retainers, everything..

I know people buy them, but I just think roller tipped rockers are a waste of money. There is little to gain for the cost as compared to a full roller rocker that also has a roller fulcrum. MHO.

Lt1mikels1 said:

what cam or custom cam can i get that wont need rockers and so

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Don't know why you'd want to stay with stock rockers.....but the HOT cam will fit the bill.

Still, though.....you might consider installing new valve springs.....

KW

shoebox said:

I know people buy them, but I just think roller tipped rockers are a waste of money. There is little to gain for the cost as compared to a full roller rocker that also has a roller fulcrum. MHO.

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they're cheap, plus they're really quiet and dont seem to cause any false knock without the LT4 knock module; i'm pretty happy with mine, on a mild build.

my last car with nsa roller rockers was clattery as hell, and although im sure it gained a bit on paper from reduced valvetrain weight and friction, it's sure nice to have it factory quiet for a change.

so even though you might not gain as much, they still "rock"

*ducks*