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wich is the best handling f-body
 

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um.... gonna have to say either the 91-92 Firehawk, or a late 80's Trans am Ws-6. And before you tell me no, go look at the skid pad numbers, they are almost identical, and the 3rd gens are lighter.
 

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bobby i wasnt sure thats y i asked.. i was under the impression that the 3rd gens handled a little bit better but it wasnt by a lot.. i wanted to know which is the best and yes bobby i know its not mine lol
 

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Its an old wives tale IMO that 3rd gens handle better. They have the exact same rear suspension, but the 4th gen went with a superior upper/lower A-arm setup up front. All other things being equal, the 4ths are better, but its such a little difference that any properly prepared 3rd gen can easily hang.
 

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One of the problems with comparing 3rd gens to 4th gens handling wise is you'd really need to have them running on equal rubber. Comparing tires of the late 80's to tires of the past 5 years isn't really fair.

Not much different then looking at 1/4 mile times of cars from the 60's that were riding on bias ply tires compared to the tires today.
 

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Iroc-z's were built for handling though with 1LE sways and such. Ive never driven one but in a camaro book it syas that it is easily the best handling camaro ever. But likewise any 3rd gen guy will say they handle and any 4th gen guy will say they handle both are relatively comparable.
 

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Yea but no IROC-Z ever came from the dealer lot with an SLA front suspension, rack & pinion, or 275/40-17 tires. Apples to apples....

Its a not-too-well known fact that an LS1 Camaro SS outlapped a base C5 a few years ago at a GM testing session Corvette Mgr Dave Hill apparently want' very happy about it :D
 

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well lets just use for example the best factory "race models" for each generation the 1LE....3rd Gen 1LE off the show room floor pulled 1 G while 4th Gen 1LE pulled .95 Gs. facts are facts. given the 4th gen does have SLA (Short/Long Arm) front suspension GM didnt do much with that just helped in making the 4th gen a better riding car. the Macpherson strut style suspension isnt great but other characteristics of the 3rd gen make it great for that body style except for the harsher ride quality.
seeing as from the factory the 3rd gen is lighter and shorter (body height) this gives them a better COG too.
oh and SCCA racers prefer the 3rd gen F Body over 4th :finger: hehehe
 

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well lets just use for example the best factory "race models" for each generation the 1LE....3rd Gen 1LE off the show room floor pulled 1 G while 4th Gen 1LE pulled .95 Gs. facts are facts. given the 4th gen does have SLA (Short/Long Arm) front suspension GM didnt do much with that just helped in making the 4th gen a better riding car. the Macpherson strut style suspension isnt great but other characteristics of the 3rd gen make it great for that body style except for the harsher ride quality.
seeing as from the factory the 3rd gen is lighter and shorter (body height) this gives them a better COG too.
oh and SCCA racers prefer the 3rd gen F Body over 4th :finger: hehehe
Facts are not facts.

1g...in what magazine. Skidpad is 1) not a very good test of handling and 2) vary wildly from mag to mag, pad to pad, day, weather, etc. etc.

Lets get both out at Road Atlanta in OEM trim and see which one wins....
 

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Facts are not facts.

1g...in what magazine. Skidpad is 1) not a very good test of handling and 2) vary wildly from mag to mag, pad to pad, day, weather, etc. etc.

Lets get both out at Road Atlanta in OEM trim and see which one wins....
i cant find where i read it but it was the best recorded G's of both Generations. True, there are limiting factors but these were best recorded numbers off showroom floor so im sure they compared other trial runs.

id love to see both generation 1LEs go at it at Road Atlanta as long as we're measuring handling abilities :D other than that its no match to an LS1 motor or even an LT1...cursed L98 :notworthy
 

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Well if a road course doesn't measure handling I'm not sure what does.

I guess the question is your definition of handling. Since there's no Skidpad Racing Series I personally don't think the skidpad numbers mean much. Its not like you're every doing skidpads in real driving environments.

I don't think low speed autocross is really a good measurement of F-bodies either since they are large cars meant to stretch their legs on road courses. If AutoX is the measurement of "handling" then some civics handle better than F-bodies...
 

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I have several camaro books one i obtained abotu a month ago and havent read throughit. But all my other said the 1le and the iroc are a few of the best. Ill double check though.
 

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well we're talking stock for stock handling...modified Civics can out handle stock 3rd gens and 4ths but throw on adjustable coil overs in a 3rd gen and say goodbye. 4th gens also have a front sway bar as thich as the stock rear sway bar of an IROC and the 3rd gen 1LE has even thicker swaybars. ya on a real road...your everyday normal road if you live in the north with potholes and the like...a stock 4th gen would definately do better cause theyre softer less harsh suspenion will benefit them over the 3rd Gens harsher Macphersion front strut system. but all can be fixed with coil overs. either way GM had a good idea but went for better ride quality for the 4th gen front suspension, ya in the 80's they did go cheaper with front struts but hey it worked out well and like i said before SCCA racers prefer the 3rd gen F body over the 4th gens. the only thing i hate about 4th gen owners (dont get me wrong i love them too) is that they stereotype the 3rd gens as sh*t. hey look at all the 80's cars that turned to shit, its been a long time and most ppl didnt take care of those things and the 2nd gens and 1st gens all have a great name just cause most we see are restored and modified. the 3rd gens are just getting into that stage of restoration while 4th gens are falling into the "typical 3rd gen" category. ive personally been in both 3rd and 4th gens going at least 130MPH and the 1999 LS1 felt way more floaty at that speed than the 3rd gen...kinda got off topic but oh well
 

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the only thing i hate about 4th gen owners (dont get me wrong i love them too) is that they stereotype the 3rd gens as sh*t.
I couldnt agree more. All my friends think that they are junk because of being slow. Fast isnt everything im always first to tell them that that iroc that just passed will outhandle your stock suspension ls1. The iroc-z's rear 1le sway is a key and like ^^ said give me an iroc slap some coil overs on it and its over. And as far as the 4th gen people hating on 3rds. i will sing a iroc-z's praise all day long.
 

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Hey, I've owned both and love both, but that also means I don't have a chip on my shoulder like some 3rd gen owners have...like a "you're not better than me because you own a 4th gen" thing.

The good thing about a 3rd gen, aside from the fact they are beautiful cars and handle well...is that they are small block powered, and its easy and cheap to go fast with a SBC.
 

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i think the only reason some 3rd gen owners are like that is because most 4th genners rag on them non stop. and the potential in a 3rd gen i think is higher cause they can easily fit any engine in there..Gen1,2,3,4...and the braggin right king a Big Block Chevy. ya 4th gens can fit them too but have fun hacking away at you car to fit a dual quad motor. anyways i think this thread has come to an end?
 

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anotehr reason that auto-x guys like the 3rd gen it is a cheaper car compared to 4th gens, as well as the weight difference. id love to have an LS1 powered 3rd gen black T/A
 
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