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All hail the BBC...

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Here's a forum where we can talk the good ol' Rat, the King of the Track.

While the SBC has the reputation of being the most hot rodded engine, at the 1/4 mile the Rat really shines. At Bandimere Raceway, they noted recently that around half of the cars that race there have a Chevy engine, and over half of those are BBC's. Since the vast majority of those racing there are amateurs who need to watch pennies, that's a significant statistic.

Personally, I've got the baby of the family - 1966 396 of 325 horse variety, minor mods such as .030" over rebuild, forged TRW pistons, stock closed chamber heads treated to home porting and polishing, 2.06/1.72" valves, around 10:1 CR, General Kenetics 270 hydraulic flat tappet cam, Comp Magnum roller tip rockers, Weiand Action+ dual plane intake, Holley double pumper with 750 CFM Proform mainbody, HEI large cap distributor with Accel box, Hedman hedders intended for the Impala chassis the engine/trans came out of. I've never had it dyno'd, but gross crank HP estimate is in the 400 sea level range. I'd like to get a Comp solid cam and RPM Air Gap type intake sometime in the near future to up the grunt a little. Grunt is the word since it's pushing around 3850 pounds down the track. But, it doesn't complain.

Looking forward to sharing info about our fav rodent!
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My proven combo (at least in my mind :) ) :
496 CI, 11:1, moderate HR cam, Richmond 5-speed trans, 12-bolt

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In todays big block world, 540" out to 632" is more serious engines, I cant imagine what it feels like get down on 632 cubic inches of built up rat motor! WOW!---- I only have a lowly 467" in a camaro. thanks RON
F-Bobby said:
427 and 454 are where its at!
:werd: these are two competey differnet motors on the bottom end.
396,402 just an overbord 396),427 are internally balanced motors
and that is why they are far more exceptional motor then there externally balanced brothers ie:366,409;454 and the truck 427.
When I 1st bought the 67 it came with a seasoned virgin 454 block and 396 virgin crank, the rods for the crank and a new set of .030 over 12.5:1 TRW pop-up pistons (with 427 compression height pin location). Also "in a box" were a set of seasond virgin open chamber 1972 vintage heads (that probably came off of the block) and a set of new TRW swirl polish 2.18" intake and 1.94" exhaust valves. I had machine work done and then slapped (and I do mean slapped....balanced rotating assy but minimal blueprinting) all of this together, topped it off with a Holley Strip Dominator and 850 dbl pumper, put on a set of Hooker headers and went racing. Managed a best of 11.38 @ just over 120 with a 1.67 60' (using 295 McCreary dirt track tires) at Brotherhood Raceway (on Terminal Island back in the day, if you race and are from LA you know what and where this was) back in the mid-late 80's. BTW, the cam (.625 lift/310 deg @.050" I & E..at least that's what it said on the box) and valvetrain, intake setup, headers and exhaust, gears and posi for the 12-bolt were all purchased new or used at the Pomona and/or Long Beach swap meets. This thing was about as low buck as you could get. I did have to run 106 (Thanx to SoCal fuels in Wilmington and 5 gallon jugs) in it to get full effect (best timing advance). I could drive it on 92 (at the time) mixed 50/50 with the 106 but it only got 3 mpg with the 4.10 gears. Needless to say this would not pass Cali smog after they started smogging old cars again in early 1990's. Out came the 427, in went a wrecking yard 454 out of a 78 pick up (it passed smog but was high mileage). Found another 454 and proceeded to build the engine that's in the car today. 9.5:1 cr with a .510/220 intake, .525/230 exhaust cam. It passed smog cleaner than the (then new) 96 Z28 vert that I had at the time. Now that I'm in AZ can you say HELLO 496?
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I have a couple big blocks one in a 66 belair and building a 72 chevelle with a 454 , a 5:44 lift comp cam headers, roller rockers, and a hi rise intake
Hey guys back when I bought the 69 I became a big fan of the Pontiac IBC because whats better than putting a 455 right in the place of a 350 with no moddification needed and nobody knowing the difference, EVEN WHEN THERE STARING INTO THE ENGINE BAY! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Im even leaving the stock 350 emblems on it! :devil: :lol: :devil:
Enthusiast said:
Hey guys back when I bought the 69 I became a big fan of the Pontiac IBC because whats better than putting a 455 right in the place of a 350 with no moddification needed and nobody knowing the difference, EVEN WHEN THERE STARING INTO THE ENGINE BAY! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Im even leaving the stock 350 emblems on it! :devil: :lol: :devil:
Back in the day (mid-80's) we did that with my friends 69 'bird. 455cid with 4.56 gears. Had lots of people thinking it was a hot 350. We won a lot of $$$ with it.
67RSSS said:
Back in the day (mid-80's) we did that with my friends 69 'bird. 455cid with 4.56 gears. Had lots of people thinking it was a hot 350. We won a lot of $$$ with it.
with traction today with that 455 and 456 you would be pulling the front tires off the ground all the time
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I'm a BBC fan as well.

My dad's been out of town for awhile, and the cars been sitting idle, so I'm driving up Sunday to crank up his beast and drive it a little.

It's a 509 (bored 502) with ported Brodix heads and CC solid roller, backed by a transking TH400. Motor made 650 fwhp N/A on the dyno. He's got a NOS big shot plate on it with a progressive controller, but has yet to spray it.

The 396 tags fool quite few people and the solid roller make is sound a little less agressive that what it acutally is - he's had quite a few late model vettes and a couple of vipers try to run, thinking it's a 350-400hp 396 car, only to see some fleeting tail lights :lol:

Here's a couple of pics:


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Right now in my camaro I have the 400, which puts out a fair amount of power for me. But in the future when my job that hopefully pulls through tommorow (pray for me please) I will be looking at an aftermarket *dart* 396 that I plan on boring to .125 over making a 427 *i think, havent calc'd yet* and putting a blower on it. There would be nothing cooler than having a good ol 604 or some crazy 540 but I just cant imagine dumping that kind of money into a huge 3mpg motor. I think going original and just SC'ing the 396 will produce the same numbers of a built 502. There is lots of argument to be made, but there is another thing I thought of. A 454 looks the exact same as a 396 on the outside, so why not just take a 454 bore it and build it with a 396 crank? High revving high horses, killing alot of torque but I am thinking this would be about the 1/2 the price of a huge 540. What do you all think? I love big cubes but lately I have been having a blown small BBC craze.
The bore of a stock "396" is 4.094". The "400", actually 402 cid, was 4.125". The crank for 396, 402, and 427 were all 3.76" stroke. Not all of the smaller blocks can take the bore out to 4.250", so before you start make sure the walls are thick enough (sonic testing or someone who knows enough about BBC castings to be able to tell the difference between a thin wall 402 and a thick wall 427 or 454 block). My 396 casting is the same one they used for 2-bolt main 427's in '66, so it shouldn't be a problem for me. However, from what I've heard very very few of the 402 blocks can be bored more than .060" over.

A 454 block with a 396/402/427 crank is a 427. Bore it .030" over and it's now a .030"-over 427. I know a fellow racer who did pretty much that, except that his is overbored enough to make it a 440 cid. Interestingly, that gives it the same bore/stroke as the Mopar 440. 454 blocks typically had enough meat in the cylinder walls to take a lot of overbore, most accepting .125" over (that's 4.375") easily.
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