Rear mounted Turbo?

[Alocc003]

I have a 01 ws6 and im really thinkin about the rear mounted turbo kit the horsepower gains r riddiculous!!!! Im just in the conflict of all motor r turbo wat sould i do?

[Chris 96 WS6]

What's your budget?

[Alocc003]

Well i mean right now its not much im just thinkin for over the summer when i work full time then ill have the money to do pretty much wat ever!! But my problem right now is that if i do a rear mounted turbo id be wasting money on buying parts for all motor u know... like intake and exaust would be my first upgrades but the turbo kit takes both them out of the picture...

[Turbo-Zone.com]

Responded to your other thread...see here:
http://www.ls1lt1.com/forum/showthread.php?p=78699#post78699

[Zupercharged28]

youre money on intake will be wasted be exhaust will not be!

[Alocc003]

yeah i was thinkin of just getin a full exaust for now until i can scrap up enough money for the turbo kit but will having headers and a y pipe be better airflow wise when i have the turbo kit?

[Turbo-Zone.com]

The headers won't be used in a turbo kit, unless you still want to go with the STS. In which case, I think they still recommend the stock exhaust. Spend once and spend it correctly.

[Alocc003]

yeah the sts turbo kit is nice because they do say to use stock exaust but u said somthin about making a custom rear mounted system wat dose urs look like?

[Turbo-Zone.com]

Our rear mounted system are similar in appearance to the STS but with our own twist. We've done BIG single systems and twin turbo systems. If you're on a budget and daily driving the car, I would stay with a traditional front mount system like our Eco-Street system. VERY affordable, easy to install and you don't lose any drivability. Our E-S system is priced at $1750 or $2750 with turbo and comes with everything needed to bolt it on and get it running.

[Alocc003]

Really thats pretty cheap does it offer the same performance as the sts kit like no lag and all that good stuff?

[Turbo-Zone.com]

A turbo is a turbo, as long as you properly match it to the air demand of the engine, it will make the same amount of boost no matter where it's located.
Along the same lines, when properly matched, you will see little to no lag.

There is NO MAGIC turbo kit, as long as the piping is properly size, one kit will not make more power than the other. The STS is a small exception to the rule because the turbo is so far back from the exhaust source. It still works well...but you will see a small amount of lag.

Apples to apples, you will see quicker spool time with a traditional front mount kit. If you run 5 - 6 psi on our kit you will probably see about the same amount of power, a tad bit later, on 5 -6 psi for the STS.

[Zupercharged28]

^^^ theres the man to listen to! cat back will always aid and make a good rumble since the stock mufflers = BARF!

[Grims]

Turbo-Zone, could you explain to me why the STS kit has any more lag? The way i see it once the exhaust pipes are pressurized there will be a non stop, continuous supply of exhaust gasses, and I would think it would only take second at most for the pipes to fill with air.

[Alocc003]

Were is ur shop located out of? i liked to look further into wat u r talkin about cause 2 grand sounds alot better that 4 grand and right now i need to save some money before anything... i just love the fact of the turbo being under the car its just somethin u dont c everyday u know

[Turbo-Zone.com]

Grims - the easy way to think of it is like the old nitrous trick we used to do back in the day. We would run a HUGE shot but run longer lines. Even though the nitrous is pressurized to 900psi, on average, it makes for a softer hit. Give it a try. Same applies to the turbo, the farther you move it away, the longer it takes for that volume to move through a specific medium.

Alocc - We are located in NY. Just give us a call when you're ready. We are about 4 or 5 hours from Englishtown, NJ...depending on how fast you drive. :)

[Chris 96 WS6]

Turbo-Zone, could you explain to me why the STS kit has any more lag? The way i see it once the exhaust pipes are pressurized there will be a non stop, continuous supply of exhaust gasses, and I would think it would only take second at most for the pipes to fill with air.

But you will have a difference in pressure for a moment right after the turbo spools...the pressure at the turbo outlet will be more than the pressure at the throttle body. The pressure changes travel like a wave through the tube. The longer the tubing, the greater this delay will be.

[Turbo-Zone.com]

Correct Chris! The tube isn't filled with pressurized volume until the car is under load. Again, the shorter the distance, the quicker it gets filled and reaches full boost.

[Alocc003]

good shit

[Zupercharged28]

hahahhah i love learning new things... im always like "ohhhhhhhh!!!!! uhh HUH!" on this site.

[snakeoilperformance]

Spend once and spend it correctly.

can never stress that enough. im glad you came along turbo zone. im no an expert but lots of people have questions on here. glad your here to help them/us

[CivicKiller]

but according to HorsePower TV, and the twin turbo kit on the C6, they said there was no lag. only about a 1 p.s.i drop from the turbo to the intake....

[snakeoilperformance]

i dont know about rear mount kits, but my twin turbo lt1 has NEVER had a lag issue, ever. stock motor or the built one its on now.

[Grims]

But you will have a difference in pressure for a moment right after the turbo spools...the pressure at the turbo outlet will be more than the pressure at the throttle body. The pressure changes travel like a wave through the tube. The longer the tubing, the greater this delay will be.

Okay, that makes sense. I was just thinking the time it would take pressure to get from the throttle body, to the rear of the car would not be noticed.

[96slow6]

See i have looked at it different. Kinda. To me the bigger the space the turbo has to fill with air the longer it takes to pressurize it. And the amount of force it takes to spin the turbo using the exhaust takes time and rpm to accomplish. Is my logic wrong?

[CivicKiller]

i dont know about rear mount kits, but my twin turbo lt1 has NEVER had a lag issue, ever. stock motor or the built one its on now.

is your set up a custom build, or a kit?

[Enthusiast]

I watch horsepower for entertainment and nothing more, I recommend you do the same.
For example on LS GUN the had 20tl stock and they replaced it with a flowmaster cat back, and they claimed they were picking up hp. 2otl is one of the best flowing cat backs to flowmaster being one of the worst. Horsepower just uses sponsor parts, which usually arent the best and they hype them up to keep the sponsors happy.

Turbo zone, I wasnt aware yall did rear mount kits, Id like pics and specs, and how much is the price difference?

[snakeoilperformance]

well kinda kit, but i mean i helped build it. (since i worked for the company)everything but the welding.

[Alocc003]

I talked to the sts guys and ther is almost 0 lag! Especially comparing it to a front mounted turbo which would create more lag since i have a stock motor.... and sts turbos kits have been tested under water..... and will pass emissions.....and gets slightly better gas milage than stock.... i dont think any turbo kit beats that.:cool:

[Turbo-Zone.com]

On an otherwise stock car and the standard turbo they come with, the STS kit works. Believe me when I say, I've had PLENTY of customers calling with complaints that they can't make power or they bought a bigger turbo and now it's slower and on...and on ...and on.

Thanks for the compliments.

I don't release pictures of any new designs or new kits because, in the past, we released a single kit and 6 months later a dozen or so people that could spark a weld had copied the kit. If you notice, our site has NO pictures on it. We are in business to make money, not give our ideas away.
Sorry to sound harsh but that is the way some people are - they just want your idea to copy it. A perfect example is the Chinese copycat kits on ebay.

Anyway, if you guys are interested in kits, please feel free to call. If you need pictures, I can e-mail a few of previous kits done...no problem. Calling is best as most of the time, I don't have time to get on the forums and check posts, PM's and other things.

Thanks.

[snakeoilperformance]

On an otherwise stock car and the standard turbo they come with, the STS kit works. Believe me when I say, I've had PLENTY of customers calling with complaints that they can't make power or they bought a bigger turbo and now it's slower and on...and on ...and on.

Thanks for the compliments.

I don't release pictures of any new designs or new kits because, in the past, we released a single kit and 6 months later a dozen or so people that could spark a weld had copied the kit. If you notice, our site has NO pictures on it. We are in business to make money, not give our ideas away.
Sorry to sound harsh but that is the way some people are - they just want your idea to copy it. A perfect example is the Chinese copycat kits on ebay.

Anyway, if you guys are interested in kits, please feel free to call. If you need pictures, I can e-mail a few of previous kits done...no problem. Calling is best as most of the time, I don't have time to get on the forums and check posts, PM's and other things.

Thanks.

thats so true.

[elchoclo]

check this site they sell a really nice front mounted turbo kit I´m getting one for my Z28, it´s too rainy here to use a STS
http://www.proturbokits.com/

[Zupercharged28]

thats a nice kit! looks expensive though (like 6k$ for an intercooled kit?!)

[ZMan3k]

I'm curious as to where the turbo actually mounts to the exhaust, i am guessing it's after the exhaust manifolds from what i've read so far. and if it mounts to th exhaust afterthe manifold would you be able to use full length headers with the kit?

[elchoclo]

I'm curious as to where the turbo actually mounts to the exhaust, i am guessing it's after the exhaust manifolds from what i've read so far. and if it mounts to th exhaust afterthe manifold would you be able to use full length headers with the kit?

The front mounted kit comes with its own headers.

[Zupercharged28]

a rear mount turbo allows for use of LTs but makes more power with shorties or stock manies. also they mount right where you sideways muffler is in the ass end of the car.