LT compatible sts turbo

[lt1firem6]

I have been looking at the sts turbo kit and was woundering if you can run long tubes with the kit or do you have to keep the stock manifolds

[Snigga]

Have seen others do it on LS1s. We have never done an STS kit at my work, so I'm not that familar with them other than other people's that I have seen and heard about. I don't see why you couldnt run the long tubes though.

[96redlt1ta]

From what i've heard you can run longtubes, but the turbo will spool up faster if you keep the stock manifolds.

[CamTom12]

That don't make no sense, 96ta...

I'd run long tubes.

[99formulam6]

That don't make no sense, 96ta...

I'd run long tubes.

i want to say ive heard the same thing as him.

i also helped my buddy with his 01 STS Z take off his Pacesetter LTs and put on manifolds when he got his kit. i dont remember why though...

[lt1firem6]

that don't really make to much sense to me either,cause don't lt flow alot more which should spool the turbo faster,i'm lost,oohh well guess i'll stick to N/A,till I find out more info

[96redlt1ta]

This is where I heard my info from http://www.ls1lt1.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5137
Post #6 is where they start talking about it.

[CamTom12]

hmmm, upon second reading, I guess it does make sense.

I stand (or sit) corrected, haha

[lt1firem6]

ok no SFC,no longtubes,no intercooler,or blow off valve,and I am sure theres no way in hell you can run true duals,I am going with either supercharger or N/A

[ziptie]

I am sure theres no way in hell you can run true duals

Why would u think that??

[hitmanws6]

this is what i think run the long tube headers becouse i find it hard to think that its going to hurt u what bother me the most.
running manifold and converters tend to brake up inside the the case from time and blowing converter dust into a 3000 doller turbo kit or even worse parts from a broken converter into the turbo just dont sound very cool .
keep the turbo up front where it belongs or dont run converters is what i think :werd:

[hitmanws6]

there is a guy here in town with a camaro with long tubes and a sts kit that runs 10's im sure he will say he hasent had problems other then traction

[lt1firem6]

well from the pics I have seen the turbo assembly bolts where the muffler is at,and tubing go's from there to the motor,I am guessing it runs along where SFC's go,from what I have seen TD's run from the manifolds into either an x-pipe or h-pipe with mufflers for both sides,the kit only comes with one turbo to replace the one muffler that these car's come stock with,I maybe wrong but what i'm sayin is both exhaust streams would have to come together to spool the turbo,now what I have been looking into doing is building a twin turbo sts style kit simular to the c5/c6 kit that they have,using true duals with a turbo on each side,please forgive me if I am wrong just the way I look at it

[Zupercharged28]

get an STS! YEAAA! or, maybe get a procharger. mines pretty schweetness!

[Grims]

get an STS! YEAAA! or, maybe get a procharger. mines pretty schweetness!

Well right now it's just sweet. Now maybe...just maybe when you rebuild your bottom end and up the boost it will be schweet...but no promises.

[koolaid_kid]

So here is the deal on losing heat with long tubes:
The turbo uses 2 types of energy, gas flow (exhaust gases) and heat. With the turbo in the rear, heat (and thus energy) is lost.
To compensate for this loss, people are now wrapping their exhaust to retain the heat energy. So, if you want to use long tubes, go for it. But be sure and wrap them as well as the exhaust pipe itself. People are reporting excellent results and significant power increases by doing this. Search this and other forums for this mod, you will be pleased with what you find.
Hope this helps.

[lt1firem6]

I e-mailed ststurbo.com,and they said that they have had no complaints with using lt's,but thanks for the info on rapping the exhaust,I don't know much about turbo's just tryin to find out all the info I can,before I buy it

[Grims]

Wouldn't just coating the headers be more effective? Or, is this an edition to coated headers? I would think you could have them double coat the headers..

[lt1firem6]

Wouldn't just coating the headers be more effective? Or, is this an edition to coated headers? I would think you could have them double coat the headers..

if you can double coat the headers,would it be worth just coating the whole exhaust system,thats what I would rather do instead of rapping the whole thing and covering up nice shiney headers

[camarojoe1991]

Wouldn't you rather have a slight power gain then have shiney headers which would rarely be seen?

[LT1-TA]

ok no SFC,no longtubes,no intercooler,or blow off valve,and I am sure theres no way in hell you can run true duals,I am going with either supercharger or N/A

stupid desicion... you'll regret it...

jsut use the stock manifolds... and if there is some weird shit stuck in your head that you HAVE to have headers... get mids or something... but regardless of what you have... WRAP YOUR ENTIRE EXHAUST...keeping that heat in the exhaust will make the turbo spool incredibly faster.

[White96Z28]

Another thing is to run the SMALLEST diameter piping that will support your exhaust flow. The key to eliminating lag is exhaust VELOCITY. The bigger the pipes, the slower the flow. You may be much better off running 2 3/4" or 3" piping rather than a 3 1/2 or 4" system. Keeping the heat in the exhaust helps with this too, as the exhaust slows down when it cools. Unfortunately, bigger isn't always better in this case, though nothing quite matches the sound of an open exhaust AND the whine of a turbo...

[Zupercharged28]

stupid desicion... you'll regret it...

jsut use the stock manifolds... and if there is some weird shit stuck in your head that you HAVE to have headers... get mids or something... but regardless of what you have... WRAP YOUR ENTIRE EXHAUST...keeping that heat in the exhaust will make the turbo spool incredibly faster.

no sir, this is not true. any headers will ALWAYS help out. stock manifolds suck especially with a REAR MOUNT turbo. the object of the rear mount is to keep the turbo heat out from under the hood AND to cool down the turbo back there by the diff. sts reaper turbo kits are rear mount so the only wrap that will make that much of a differance is the headers if theyre shorties.

[LT1-TA]

Ok... half you people talk out your ass.... other half are jsut putting out your opinions....

FACTS are the heat = more exhaust velocity and speed which in turn will spool your turbo faster...

HEADERS WILL DISSAPATE HEAT AND DROP PRESSURE BECAUSE OFF ALL THE TUBBING AND HOW WELL THEY FLOW!!!

This is NOT good for spool. some people run them some dont.... but running manifolds over headers usualy yields a big difference in spool.

Even a lot of sts guys are wrapping their entire exhaust....


STS works great and the price is good. But think about that person running 10's on the rear mount... could be going even faster if the turbo was mounted where its SUPPOSED to be :coffee:


no sir, this is not true. any headers will ALWAYS help out. stock manifolds suck especially with a REAR MOUNT turbo. the object of the rear mount is to keep the turbo heat out from under the hood AND to cool down the turbo back there by the diff. sts reaper turbo kits are rear mount so the only wrap that will make that much of a differance is the headers if theyre shorties.



Dont make me get a bunch of people who HAVE sts kits and HAVE EXPERINCE with it come over from ls1tech and flame your ass for talking out ur ass... I can find 30 threads on this subject.. its been beat like a dead horse. There are TONS MORE people who even HAD long tubes and went to manifolds than people who even use headers...


But the end all solution is jsut put the damn turbo where it belongs in the first place... in the engine bay.

[LT1-TA]

i jsut have to get one last word in...

headers are designed to flow well and reduce back pressure.... the thing your peanut brain is not comprehending is that the turbo uses that pressure and flow to spool.... these are facts... not opinions... period.

less backpressure and heat = slower spool.... class dismissed


PS... run the biggest exhaust OFF the turbo as you can... someone recently went from a 5 foot piece of 3" to a 90* bend of 4" and gained soemhing like 3lbs in boost.... thought i would throw that lil tidbit out. Can't hurt!

[96slow6]

i jsut have to get one last word in...

headers are designed to flow well and reduce back pressure.... the thing your peanut brain is not comprehending is that the turbo uses that pressure and flow to spool.... these are facts... not opinions... period.

less backpressure and heat = slower spool.... class dismissed


PS... run the biggest exhaust OFF the turbo as you can... someone recently went from a 5 foot piece of 3" to a 90* bend of 4" and gained soemhing like 3lbs in boost.... thought i would throw that lil tidbit out. Can't hurt!
OK wow umm. Right. How about i get the last word's in here. 1 This is you only warning. DO NOT UNSULT OTHER MEMBERS. Everyone is entitled to there opinion, if your is different then state it. 2. If you must call some one a peanut brain take an example from the mirror. Not one of our members. A turbo does not run strickly off of back pressure. It runs off of air velocity. What is the best way to increase velocity? mmmm Headers. So lets also talk about the rest of your statement. yes some people go back to running a PORTED manifold. Why ported you ask? Because you can get a great balance of both pressure and velocity. Oh and wrapping the headers doesnt just help boosting it also healps keep cylinder temps up helping stop detonation. Hi Im Rich :LS1LT1flag: And Zuper is a good friend.

[LT1-TA]

Why dont you send me on vacation? Not a big loss... look at my post histroy at this forum... i dont come on here because everyone is NOT educated in F/I here but talk like they are(not everyone but a majority)... and then argue with FACTS (not opinions.. thank you very much)

I HAVE something to show for what i say... i have personal friends with personal expirence.... my words are NOT opinions....

Want me to point out the flaws in your statement? I dont care if you do or not want to hear it...

Air has more velocity with heat.... headers have a lot of surface area... surface area dissipates heat... so you lose velocity... again... not good for spool... also... you think the same amount of exhaust going through one tube is gunna have as much velocity as the same amount of air going through 4 seperate large tubes? No.

Anything else?


I think im gunna have to get trt performance (the people who have real cars running real times with sts) to tell you.

[96slow6]

Why dont you send me on vacation? Not a big loss... look at my post histroy at this forum... i dont come on here because everyone is NOT educated in F/I here but talk like they are(not everyone but a majority)... and then argue with FACTS (not opinions.. thank you very much)

I HAVE something to show for what i say... i have personal friends with personal expirence.... my words are NOT opinions....

Want me to point out the flaws in your statement? I dont care if you do or not want to hear it...

Air has more velocity with heat.... headers have a lot of surface area... surface area dissipates heat... so you lose velocity... again... not good for spool... also... you think the same amount of exhaust going through one tube is gunna have as much velocity as the same amount of air going through 4 seperate large tubes? No.

Anything else?


I think im gunna have to get trt performance (the people who have real cars running real times with sts) to tell you.
I never said you were not adding to the forum, just that you should not insult others. Just add what you know and set them strait. And yes 4 pipes into a collector with much straiter flow has much more velocity. I dont deny you loose some heat but with some simple wrap you can minimize it. The metal like a rock in the sun can actually get hotter than the surounding air with constant application of heat. Also i am glad to have you. People learn alot from little discusions like this.

[lt1firem6]

wow this is the first of my post to cause such argument,but thanks for all the opinions I did learn alot off this,and got a couple laughs,so can every body just get along now

[Zupercharged28]

thank you slow :D and lt1 you do whatever YOU think is the right way to go. we are all just going with out experiance i guess. it all depends on your tune, setup, etc. each vehicle is differant!

by the way there LT1-TA. colder air holds more oxygen with translates to more boost as well. like we say allll depends on your surrounds and setups! there are many differant ways to solve many differant problems. sorry i was away on a trip guys i would have gotten back sooner!

[Zupercharged28]

i think its nappy time for someone!! :D just kidding

[Grims]

Why dont you send me on vacation? Not a big loss... look at my post histroy at this forum... i dont come on here because everyone is NOT educated in F/I here but talk like they are(not everyone but a majority)... and then argue with FACTS (not opinions.. thank you very much)

I HAVE something to show for what i say... i have personal friends with personal expirence.... my words are NOT opinions....

Want me to point out the flaws in your statement? I dont care if you do or not want to hear it...

Air has more velocity with heat.... headers have a lot of surface area... surface area dissipates heat... so you lose velocity... again... not good for spool... also... you think the same amount of exhaust going through one tube is gunna have as much velocity as the same amount of air going through 4 seperate large tubes? No.

Anything else?


I think im gunna have to get trt performance (the people who have real cars running real times with sts) to tell you.

All he asked was that you find a way to relay your argument without having to result to petty name calling. No one insulted you, they challenged your theories, which can be a fun debate if you go about it in an intelligent way.

[Snigga]

At any rate, the original question was answered with a few different opinions. So lets all just get along now!:fluffy:

[96slow6]

At any rate, the original question was answered with a few different opinions. So lets all just get along now!:fluffy:
Sniggles were have you been hiding?

[Snigga]

Check your myspace bud. I dropped you one.

[96slow6]

I sent one back at you.

[Snigga]

Sent ya a message with an explain all on there. I would make a post here about it, but it gets a little too personal for the forums IMO. Oh and :hijacked:

[Zupercharged28]

hahahaha this was the funniest ending to a near confrontational thread ever! you two should just get a room or something! lets all be friends now.

[LT1-TA]

All he asked was that you find a way to relay your argument without having to result to petty name calling. No one insulted you, they challenged your theories, which can be a fun debate if you go about it in an intelligent way.

lol.. you should see the arguments people get in over at tech.... pretty gruesome....

[96slow6]

lol.. you should see the arguments people get in over at tech.... pretty gruesome....
We have. They are funny to read but get annoying. Thats why we stifle them here.