New direct port set-up, pics inside! [Archive]

860

08-01-2006, 08:33 AM

Like the title says.
Heres the plan, I haven't tried it yet.
Stage 1- 300hp dry
Stage 2- 200hp NXL-dp
Stage 3- 150hp NX single nozzle
Total = 650hp worth of nitrous http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_devil.gif

I should get quite a wild ride if this thing stays together.http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_stretch.gif
I'll post up some dyno numbers as soon as I go (in a timely manner:rolleyes: ). Hopefully tomorrow.
Vinny

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Shon Herron

08-01-2006, 08:37 AM

HOLY

Chris 96 WS6

08-01-2006, 08:42 AM

COW

Grims

08-01-2006, 09:33 AM

That all you got?

DON'T LET IT GET ME MOMMY!

860

08-01-2006, 10:20 AM

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

CamTom12

08-01-2006, 12:04 PM

holy tits....

Shon Herron

08-01-2006, 12:13 PM

holy tits....
Those are nasty.

Mac 93Z/02SS

08-09-2006, 11:10 AM

GOOD LAAWWWWDDD !!!!!!!:eek: Man, that set up has to good for some mid-8's at the least !!!! Good luck and please keep us posted on the et and the aftermath !!!!:D

snakeoilperformance

08-09-2006, 12:25 PM

whats the motor specs, and for that matter the rest of the car??

god damn tho thats insane. any updates?

860

08-09-2006, 03:07 PM

I've been on vaca with the wife and kid for the past week so not too much new.
I had the car at the dyno just before I left. It put down 590 off stage one, but was smoking out the breathers, so I didn't go past stage 1. I pulled the motor out that night and I have some broken rings. They have probably been broken for a while now, so I'm fixing it up and should be back at it in another week or two. I'll post up no matter what the turn-out is.:devil:
Vinny

whats the motor specs, and for that matter the rest of the car??

god damn tho thats insane. any updates?

snakeoilperformance

08-24-2006, 07:59 AM

well i imagine forged internals, is a given. any updates yet??

860

08-24-2006, 08:18 AM

The only update I have is that the motor will be back here next week. I have a race on Sept17th that I need to get ready for. I ended up ordering some better pistons than what I had. I ordered JE extreme duty forged pistons. Once I have the motor back, I'll be back to the dyno within a few days after that. :devil:

Vinny

well i imagine forged internals, is a given. any updates yet??

snakeoilperformance

08-24-2006, 12:00 PM

ok awesome man.. glad your geting it done.. cant wait to see how she hollds

89gta383

08-28-2006, 12:14 PM

That's alot of juice.:drool:

Helmsdini

08-29-2006, 02:37 PM

That is a NICE setup. Is your dry shot through the MAF with tuning?

that reminds me of the tractor pulling guys. They used to call wanting 1000 HP worth of nitrous ran through their engines :lol:

860

08-29-2006, 03:33 PM

The enrichment for the dry shot is through the nitrous funtion of the accel DFI. It makes it so easy. ;)

That is a NICE setup. Is your dry shot through the MAF with tuning?

that reminds me of the tractor pulling guys. They used to call wanting 1000 HP worth of nitrous ran through their engines :lol:

snakeoilperformance

09-06-2006, 08:58 PM

any updates?? yea i love the DFI gen 7.. its sweeet!!

860

09-06-2006, 09:18 PM

Got the motor back today!!!!!! :thumbsup:
Heres the plan-
I should have this thing running by the weekend. Maybe even a new dyno sheet this weekend, but that may be pushing it.
Then a few laps next Wed and race it next weekend :D
I'll be sure to keep you posted.
Vinny

Commando

09-06-2006, 10:23 PM

HOLY MOLY,,, i hope all goes well... keep us posted and TAKE A VIDEO of this THING...

Firehawk 526

09-06-2006, 10:35 PM

Great gugga-mugga! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

If she holds together and you can keep the VC focused.......now that I'd like to see! No 56K req'd:lol:

96lt1m6

09-07-2006, 11:45 AM

well that looks like the cure for the common mustang!nice job
GOT N2O:notworthy

snakeoilperformance

09-07-2006, 04:45 PM

awesome man glad to hear, good luck!! cant wait.. thanks for not keepin us hangin so long!!

donskii

09-07-2006, 04:52 PM

You got enough Nitrous in there!?!? Seriously!?!?! That thing is soooooooooooooo SICK!!:eek: :eek:

860

09-09-2006, 08:33 PM

:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
Its time for me to start drinking.

I spend all day putting that stupid motar back in the car. It fired right up and sounded good.
Then I filled the radiator, and water pours out the head gaskets. :angry:
WTF!!!!!!!
These are the overpriced POS gaskets I used.
SCE # S11154, has anyone ever used them? (small block chevy)

CamTom12

09-09-2006, 10:25 PM

Oh man....

I feel your anger... I'll drink a beer for you tonight, too

860

09-10-2006, 08:06 PM

OK everything is under control again.
A few of those coolant leak-stop pills and its all good. ;)
I'm back on track, I'm making a dyno appointment asap hopefully for tue, then run it Wed or Fri and then Saturady. :thumbsup:
I'll keep ya posted

CamTom12

09-10-2006, 10:50 PM

Sweet! I think those beer(s) I pounded specifically in the name of head gasket leaks helped, hahaha

860

09-11-2006, 07:13 AM

haha, Thanks Man!

Sweet! I think those beer(s) I pounded specifically in the name of head gasket leaks helped, hahaha

Grims

09-11-2006, 10:41 AM

So..won't the plugged head gasket mess with compression?

Razor02097

09-12-2006, 07:59 PM

Having a bottle fed baby is fine... having a bottle fed time bomb isn't :lookleave

860

09-13-2006, 07:18 AM

Having a bottle fed baby is fine... having a bottle fed time bomb isn't :lookleave
haha:)

I spent 4 hours on the dyno last night. The base-tune was way lean, which I think probably has to do with switching from 2.5" to 3" exhaust. But none-the-less, it took about an hour to get the base dialed in.
Motor made a whopping 300hp. :lol:

Then off to stage 1- Since I'm scared now.. I pulled an additional 5 deg of timing out. This timing retard is used for all 3 stages, so its really too much for the first stage, but good for all 3. The car made just north of 500rwhp on stage 1 which had qty2- #52jets. That isn't too bad considering the amount of timing pulled. After a few pulls I got the AFR into the high 11's.
Then stage 2- Now I'm really nervous :rolleyes: . So fired it up and tried stage 3 out. It is set to come on at 5100rpms. Motor rpms came up with stage 1 and at 5100 rpms it stumbled then started to pull so I got out of it asap.
After looking at the AFR numbers it looked like a lean spike at stage 2start caused the stumble. So I went back to stage 1 and fattened it up a bit to mid 11's. Tried it again and that got rid of the stumble, but stage 2 was jetted way too rich. It was below 9.0:1 :eek: . I dropped 2 jet sizes on the fuel side #16's to #14's. Tried it again and it was still below 9.0:1!!!. It was 10:00 by this time and time to shut down shop. HP numbers were just shy of 600hp.
So I don't have any crazy numbers to post yet, but everything is working well so far, and needs a little more time. I'm installing an LM1 and will try to tune at the track on Friday night.
Thats it for now.
Vinny

CamTom12

09-13-2006, 10:43 AM

That's nuts!

I can't wait to see what she's capable of!

and hahaha at 300 n/a :D

89gta383

09-14-2006, 03:10 PM

Watch out with that LM-1, it doesn't like the afr going super rich at once, it will give you an error message and you will have to cut it off and then back on to get it to read. I would test-n-tune on the highway before you hit the track to get the afr above 10:1, it will give you an error if it stays at 10:1 too long.:( :clown:

860

09-14-2006, 03:52 PM

Thanks for the advise. I haven't used an LM1 yet, and I'm definetly below 10:1 right now.

Watch out with that LM-1, it doesn't like the afr going super rich at once, it will give you an error message and you will have to cut it off and then back on to get it to read. I would test-n-tune on the highway before you hit the track to get the afr above 10:1, it will give you an error if it stays at 10:1 too long.:( :clown:

white94m6-LT1-Z28

09-17-2006, 02:47 PM

what were the tq numbers on those dyno pulls?

89gta383

09-18-2006, 12:55 PM

What are you running for a fuel system? I'm wondering if I can run a 2nd kit off of the fuel rail safely or if I need to run a seperate pump.

snakeoilperformance

09-25-2006, 09:15 PM

i think that block is a few pass/dyno pulls from bein junk!!

860

09-26-2006, 07:08 AM

Your a little late, its already apart again. :lol:
This motor did reliably put down over 700 to the wheels for most of last year. But this year I've had some stumbling blocks (to be polite).:)
I only have 1 month of track time left... tick,tick,tick.
Vinny

i think that block is a few pass/dyno pulls from bein junk!!

Zupercharged28

09-26-2006, 09:18 AM

in the last pic the lines sorta look like the spiderman symbol!! TYEAAA! anyways, WOW!

CamTom12

09-26-2006, 10:35 AM

apart again? What happened?

Grims

09-26-2006, 11:18 AM

apart again? What happened?

What do you do on Tuesday..??

860

09-26-2006, 11:59 AM

What do you do on Tuesday..??

:confused:

Lifted a ring land, from running too rich now. Its tough to get the under-the-injector style nozzles dialed in. They tend to draw a vacuum under the injector pulling more fuel in. Normally its no big deal, to try a jetting for a quick second or two, log it and make changes, but with this much spray, 1 or 2 seconds is all it takes to hurt stuff.

Grims

09-26-2006, 01:25 PM

:confused:

Lifted a ring land, from running too rich now. Its tough to get the under-the-injector style nozzles dialed in. They tend to draw a vacuum under the injector pulling more fuel in. Normally its no big deal, to try a jetting for a quick second or two, log it and make changes, but with this much spray, 1 or 2 seconds is all it takes to hurt stuff.

it was a joke to Tom on how what else would there be to do on a Tuesday but rebuild an engine.

CamTom12

09-26-2006, 01:31 PM

hahaha

That sucks, man!

860

10-02-2006, 02:00 PM

Motor is back together.
It feels like I just did this.. oh wait, I did :rolleyes:

CamTom12

10-02-2006, 04:47 PM

When's the next set of results?

860

10-03-2006, 08:22 AM

Well, I should have it in the car and running this weekend. I might be able to run it this weekend, there is still quite a bit of work that still needs to be done, like actually getting the motor back in, finishing up the stand-alone fuel system, and some other things.

If a customer brought me this car, I'd refuse to work on it, but since its mine I'll roll the dice again with this set-up. :)

When's the next set of results?

snakeoilperformance

10-19-2006, 01:27 PM

any updates?

860

10-20-2006, 02:44 PM

Well,
Ran the car with no nitrous for the first time. Which is a whopping 14.9 @ 81mph!:lol:

Stage 1 brought it down to 10.8 @ 126
Stage 2- 10.3 @ 134

Since I really had my heart set on 9's, I stepped up and melted the #3 plug. Haven't taken a look at it yet, but since our track shuts down this weeek for the season, it will be on hold until April when New England Dragway opens up again.
Its been a rough year for that poor car. haha
Vinny

any updates?

CamTom12

10-20-2006, 02:53 PM

Damn! I was hoping to see 9's too!

Nice n/a run, haha

snakeoilperformance

02-28-2007, 11:13 PM

snakeoilperformance

02-28-2007, 11:14 PM

oh and when does the track open near you?? i think our local track opens this weekend

93lt1z28

03-01-2007, 09:04 AM

That is way too much for me to swallow! I cant see 4 seconds coming off the time from all motor ,to nos! How much are you spraying?

Shon Herron

03-01-2007, 09:27 AM

That is way too much for me to swallow! I cant see 4 seconds coming off the time from all motor ,to nos! How much are you spraying?

I think he mentions in there how much each stage is worth. But for an example....in my 3500# LT1 car, 100shot was worth a second drop in ET, same day/same track but with a tire change from 26 to 28" :thumbsup:

CamTom12

03-01-2007, 12:04 PM

Plus I think the no-n20 run was still run on the nitrous tune, which would have considerably less timing for the nitrous and much more fuel for the dry stages than a regular n/a tune. My buddy Brad's 9 second car made something like 260 at the wheels on his nitrous tune without the nitrous

93lt1z28

03-02-2007, 08:47 PM

Thats odd than....my bone stock 93 z at the 1/8th mile ran 8.50 all motor, and 7.16 with 150 shot! right the way the general made it. Stock suspension,stock motor,stock converter,tranny with shift kit,and stock 10 bolt with 4:10 gears out of an s-10. To knock 4 seconds off that time , you should be pushing at least 400 SHOT! And have a stout motor to handle that much!

93lt1z28

03-03-2007, 09:10 AM

Maybe im comming off harsh.....im not trying to. But that motor looks like it has alot of good parts on it, and should still be putting down better numbers all motor!Sorry if you think im being a jerk, im not. But there are people that visit the site for advice, or knowledge, and i wouldnt like to see them missled in any way. I guess what im saying is if someone seen those times that they would think , i can do that too. Then all they have is a pile of parts. Anyway the setup looks wild!

snakeoilperformance

03-04-2007, 08:47 PM

he had to have let of on the NA pass because when i went 14.9 15.0 my mph was 91. i may have spun a lil bit not that much. 2.2 60 street tires.

hmm where ya at capt nitrous?

snakeoilperformance

03-13-2007, 06:43 PM

bueller???

Black93Z

03-13-2007, 07:19 PM

not sure whether to say congrats or condolences, thats one sick NOS set up holy crap

860

03-25-2007, 12:25 PM

Snakeoil- Thanks for the PM, I haven't checked this lately.

93lt1z28- no need to appoligize, I also get irritaed with false posted info. but this is the real deal. if you know anyone who frequents New England Dragway, check with them I'm up there every week.

I'll try to answer some of these questions for everyone else.
No I didn't let off on the NA pass.
Yes the N20 took 4 seconds off my time.

Yes there are a lot of great parts on this motor, but NA its sub-300 hp. This might seem suprising, but all of the parts are for strength when spraying, callies crank, billet splayed caps, oringed block, JE extreeme duty pistons etc. None of these things realy make HP, but rather support it. The motor is 8.5:1 compression, and I only ran it on pump gas, so you can see its not a killer NA motor, really a purpose built N20 motor that can run all day long as reliable as can be on the street.

Our track is scheduled to open next week, but we just got some more snow, so I suspect it will get pushed back a week.

Now for the car update...
The bad news is, its all gone, I sold it all over the winter.
The good news is, if you though that system was sick, wait till I post pics of the new system I which is almost done on the new ride, an 05 GTO :devil:

Vinny

93lt1z28

03-25-2007, 05:37 PM

Like i said before im not starting anything , and if your talking about my car as the false info come check it out! I have nothing to lie about and everthing here to show the douters. Mind you my car is not the fastest out there but i will say find another to do the times mine is doing all stock!

860

03-25-2007, 05:52 PM

[quote=93lt1z28;75676]and if your talking about my car as the false info come check it out!
quote]
No I wasn't accusing you of anything like that.

93lt1z28

03-25-2007, 06:57 PM

I wasnt accusing you of that..... i simply said its hard to believe 14:90 all motor than bam 10.80's! That is what i am saying.

860

03-25-2007, 08:34 PM

10.30s :)
And with a different set-up 9.70's :D

I wasnt accusing you of that..... i simply said its hard to believe 14:90 all motor than bam 10.80's! That is what i am saying.

snakeoilperformance

03-25-2007, 11:14 PM

no prob 860. glad to hear your back at least and good luck wit the weather.
its finaly nice here in jersey

CamTom12

03-26-2007, 08:31 AM

I can't wait to see the sick new set-up, 860!

How come so low on compression for the N2O? Was it originally built for boost?

860

03-26-2007, 04:53 PM

yeah it was built for boost. The year before it had a Novi2000 & a 300 shot.

I can't wait to see the sick new set-up, 860!

How come so low on compression for the N2O? Was it originally built for boost?

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g102/860performance/underhood-c.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g102/860performance/underhood-b.jpg

CamTom12

03-26-2007, 08:34 PM

That makes sense...

Any info leaks on the new set-up? ;)

860

03-26-2007, 10:04 PM

The new GTO set-up is under double-secret lock-down. No info will be released until its 100% done and dyno'd. I expect it should be done within 2 more weeks. I started it in December, and its taking forever. Lots of details.
The only info I'll leak is, you have never seen a direct port like this" :popcorn:
Vinny

That makes sense...

Any info leaks on the new set-up? ;)