why do mustangs always win the popularity race

[loudmouthzls1]

how come mustangs get more popular than the camaros. when a z28 camaro pretty much beats the hell out of it in every aspect handling accel etcc... i dont know y that is. i mean they look cool but i think a ws6 or SS puts it to shame on the looks but maybe thats just me.. just wonderign y the mustang does so well

[Chris 96 WS6]

Because they were first on the scene. It really all boils down to that.

[loudmouthzls1]

ya i was thinking that but i mean fords have such a bad name with people...even people who dont know cars that well.

[Chris 96 WS6]

Mustang is considered a classic even with non-car people. Camaro can't say the same.

Plus we've been dividing up between 2 cars all these years when they've just got the Mustang.

[loudmouthzls1]

another good point i didnt think of. and chicks freaking love mustangs and could care less about camaros. lol that part sux

[TheRedLS1]

People are affraid of the raw naturally aspirated power!

[loudmouthzls1]

ya everyone is about the 03 cobra's now ....even im a little guilty

[Karps TA]

Mustangs are more female friendly to drive. It's a more upright position.

Plus they make nice rental cars.

Doesn't hurt that the name has been engraved in American history either.

[loudmouthzls1]

you do know that 98% of fords are still on the road..................


















the othe 2 % made it home

[Phoenix57]

they also start off a LOT cheaper than the f-body did and with the excpetion of the cobra, was much less than the T/A or SS

[Vendetta]

Remember that the f-body actually outsold the Mustang all through tthe 80s... they haven't always been on top.

[TyKoinz]

how come mustangs get more popular than the camaros. when a z28 camaro pretty much beats the hell out of it in every aspect handling accel etcc... i dont know y that is. i mean they look cool but i think a ws6 or SS puts it to shame on the looks but maybe thats just me.. just wonderign y the mustang does so well


STFU noob. Your ez koinz. ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZ

[1970judge]

No reason to tell him to shutup bro. And he is right i see more mustangs on the road than f-bodies. But ven is also right that early 80's camaros sold liek crazy. and even gm cant say why cuz they were junk factory.

[Br33zy]

why do mustangs always win

CUZ U EZ

[loudmouthzls1]

hey thanx for the suppourt judge... that guy has been trolling all night.. :twak:

[TheRoad64]

Remember that the f-body actually outsold the Mustang all through tthe 80s... they haven't always been on top.

Hah funny. Thats the only time IMO when the Ford pony was better than my beloved F-body.

As far as Mustangs go, they win because
(1 They still make the damned thing
(2 Girlies love a bone stock V6 Mustang-Fbody is too much testosterone
(3 Cheap. Cheap. Cheap-plus it was based on a 79 Fairmont until 2005..sort of

[Vendetta]

Hah funny. Thats the only time IMO when the Ford pony was better than my beloved F-body.

I agree... strange how that goes.

[ThrashN]

they also start off a LOT cheaper than the f-body did and with the excpetion of the cobra, was much less than the T/A or SS

Yea I have to agree with this. I think the reason that the Camaro and Firebird are history is because GM priced them out of reach for the market that they were intened for (20-30). I hope they bring them back someday because I'm getting tired of all the dodge stuff, but I do like the Magnum and I don't even like station wagons.
On the other hand the reason that the Mustang is so popular is that they were a cheap car to buy and the 5.0 is a cheap motor to build kind of like the SBC. We just need GM to get off there ass and give us the Camaro and Firebird back, and I'm not talking about some 4 door FWD econo box with the name stuck on it, I'm talking about the real deal.
Just my 2 cents

[Iroc313]

you know me with fords
F:****ed
O: over
R: rebuilt
D: dodge

F: fix
O: or
R: repair
D: daily

F: for
O: only
R: retarded
D: driver



no offence to all you ford lovers I dislike the car not the driver

[1970judge]

I would like to have a 94-95 5.0 later body with the 5.0. The single cam 4.6 put down no power even modded and the 4.6's are impossible. The reason you see so many stangs is cuz sure they are cheap. But look at how the ltx and lsx fan base has grown. The engines have a mod list as long as the great wall. I had this argument with a buddy not too long ago abou the two new rivals. The new gt500 vs the new z06 (those 2 cars are on the intended rival market). the gt500 is supposed to be alot cheaper but still the z06 its its predator. for 78k you get a n/a 505hp 427. For how much you get a s/c 5.4 that onyl makes 450. Ok so the gt500 is cheaper buy ti do a pulley swap,exhaust,chip,tune,headers,cai and your done. You have to hack your two nuts off to be able to trade them in for a heads/cams swap. WHY? I would much rather spend the 78k on the Z06 and have an engine that is readily modable because of teh already loyal aftermarket the lsx base has. Im not saying this as a gm person because i would love own a few stangs of my choice. Im saying this as a consumer. A ford person will argue all day long "spend the money you save from buying teh gt500 on a h/c cam swap. That saved money wont be eough. I have seen ONE...ONE cammed 4valve engine in my day and he said it cost an unbelieveable amount of money. And he also admitted the cost/horsepower was not worth it one bit. So why do it then?.

[ThrashN]

you know me with fords
F:****ed
O: over
R: rebuilt
D: dodge

F: fix
O: or
R: repair
D: daily

F: for
O: only
R: retarded
D: driver



no offence to all you ford lovers I dislike the car not the driver

FORD backwards

Driver
Returns
On
Foot

No offence taken :D

[Mercerius]

I think I'll blame Steve McQueen. :p

[LiquidFire350]

another good point i didnt think of. and chicks freaking love mustangs and could care less about camaros. lol that part sux
thats funny, one friend of mine has a 2001 Mustang GT, another friend has a 2000 Trans AM, and i have a 2000 Z/28

all the girls i know love the mustang and TA, and my Camaro is the equillivant to a saturn in their eyes

but anyone that really knows the 3 of us knows that i have the fastest one, and the mustang is the slower one(i blame that on it being 5speed and its the drivers 1st manual car)

[MJK]

I think it also has tons to do with marketing...

The Mustang is ALWAYS in the publics eye..Its Ford's media darlin'...

Now with the redesigned Mustang for 2005,the general public isn't even going to remember the Camaro/Firebird except for "Smokey and the Bandit"...Why?because wether it was intentional or not,that was a perfect example of a great marketing move...

Virtually make the car the star of the movie AND give it a memorable hook..(A big ol' bird plastered over the hood!)...

Just like right now,look at all the Dodge hype that has been going on,Hemi this Hemi that...Now the "Dukes of Hazard" movie...coincidence that the new Charger comes out at about the same time?Naaaaaaaahhhhhhhh...Marketing formula seem familiar?Yep..

The general public lives thier lives by popularity and media...Advertising sells the idea of whats "cool"....."The Fast and the Furious" anybody?

Now I'm not trying to take anything away from the Mustang because (I'm probably going to catch trouble for this but ;) ) I like most of the Mustangs through the years (Except the Mustang IIs...geeeeeeeesh)...My fave being the ever famous 5.0 Fox chassis and 94-95 5.0s and of course 1gen fastbacks...

I have a 92' GT myself and hate to do it but,I'm probably putting it up for sale soon,but while I have owned it,I have noticed many great things about Mustangs and many not soo great things....As with F-Bodies there are many +s and -s...

Have you ever compared a GM High Tech magazine with a popular Mustang mag?Like 5.0 or Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords...The GM mags are almost like a nice flier while the Mustang mags are like monthly bibles...Thats marketing...from Ford and the car all the way to the MANY companies that create the aftermarket for Mustangs...

I remeber the "Blackbird" commercials when the LT1 WS6s came out and of course the "Hungry" "Boo" commercials for the 98 TAs....I also remember how most of the time they were VERY short ad blurbs running at like 2am...

Camaro commercials?Hmmmmmmmm......I remember way back where there were two kids playing in thier bedroom with the window open...One kid without looking would name the cars as they go by on the street next to thier house to the other kid...One of the cars was a red LT1 Z28...Thats how long ago I have to think back to remember a Camaro commercial...There may be some additional commercials that came out but,I don't remember seeing them run...

Anyway...My fingers hurt...And my rambling has probably put you into a coma at your keyboard...you may go now... ;)

-Milt

[LiquidFire350]

Have you ever compared a GM High Tech magazine with a popular Mustang mag?Like 5.0 or Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords...The GM mags are almost like a nice flier while the Mustang mags are like monthly bibles...Thats marketing...from Ford and the car all the way to the MANY companies that create the aftermarket for Mustangs...
anyone else notice that in all those mustang mags, there are girls everywhere, and in the GM mags, the only girls you get to see are in the ads way in the back

the majority of the people who mod their cars are guys, and guys like boobs its that simple

they buy the mag for the girls 1st, then see the cars and say i can do that, then they go and buy a mustang, why? becuase thats all they know cuz they were buying mustang mags

now that doesnt happen for everyone but i have personally seen people do exactly that many times

[Iroc313]

the camaro and firebird are wwwwaaaaaayyy underrated the new mustang is 300 hp :dontknow: I mean seriously the early 90's mustang GT couldn't stand up to a L98 camaro, Advertising is the only thing that is keeping ford alive

[1970judge]

Nobody will give you hell. I said myself id love to have a 94-95 5.0 i like the body and i love the engine.

[Red Devil]

Why do Mustangs always win the popularity race? Ok, cliff notes. The 'classic' thing and 'first on the scene' thing didn't do it for them, not by far. If that were the case GM would have been chasing Mustang sales throughout the 80's as well.

Mustangs are more comfortable, always were.

They came with sticks more readily.

Granted that Fbody production eclipsed Fox body production from 82-91 by almost one million units, however, ~550,000 of those units were in the production years of 82-85, GM's intro years on the new platform.

Thereafter the gap closed and the female market (the primary driving force of auto sales allegedly) was won over to the Fox, moreso in the latter years of the 80's.

Around '85 is when they both started wiffing the 'performance' trend and GM tried to pony up. Ford already had.

When GM went looking for better performance in the late 80's they looked to SD to limp them in, Ford dropped that and went MAF. (Let's not mention the forged vs. cast slugs.)

Did I mention that the Mustang was a cheaper platform to enter?

Did I mention they sound better and have a wee better exhaust design?

Did I mention that though the venerable chevy 350 has the largest aftermarket for an engine, the fox platform was tops for a dedicated aftermarket?

Mustangs also responded much better to mods than the f-bodies. Oh and they were HELLA easier to work on.

Mustangs eventually earned a reputation which GM could not overcome.

By the mid-90's it was too late. GM had stunk up the field with their styling of the dead bass (though the t/a was later a favorite) and the Mustang scored the big shazam with their styling. GM lost in bad fasion and if they hope to come out of the gate well, they better have some good shit up their sleeves.

[Red Devil]

Nobody will give you hell. I said myself id love to have a 94-95 5.0 i like the body and i love the engine.


I like my '95 Cobra, though I may have to sell it, it is a nice fun little ride. That'll be one thing I try and avoid selling.

[MJK]

I do have to support the idea of women being a strong ingredient in the sales numbers...

Everyone always forgets how (now I could be wrong) that the top selling Mustang that I have heard is actually the V6 Mustang...Commonly bought by women.

I would tend to believe that because,just looking around you see it everywhere.Women in V6 Mustangs...They don't really care about the power of the GT/Cobra and I tend to notice that women (most anyway) don't seem to be really into the styling of the F-Bodies...

I remember people (Carrol Shelby for one) saying how the mustang was introduced as a sporty car for secretaries until he got his hands on one...

They (women) tend to want the look of a Mustang.Its just more fitting to them.Although I notice that women seem to avoid the Fox chassis Stangs like a bad STD or somethin' !! :poke:

If I had a nickle for every V6 Mustang (usually the 94-98 and 99-04 styles)I see around being driven by a woman...

I would have a Ferrari next to my SS. :cool:

-Milt

[camarogrrrl]

u guys need to start hangin around girls that know about cars and not just how comfortable they are and how they look lol....i guess Mass guys are lucky we have tons of females who drive V8s and would rather walk than drive a mustang or rice burner and they keep up with the guys just fine

i personally hate mustangs always have i dont care if its faster than my car...im a chevy person and i think most people wanna fit in so they go out and buy a mustang to be cool like everyone else imo....they are everywhere....i cant count how many old guys, dumb chicken heads and wanna be cool guys i see driving them....i think its so funny when i pull up next to em and i see them checkin out my car and then they try to race me and get left in the dust...then pull up to me at the next set of lights and are like " holy sh*t what do u have in that thing" hahahahahahaha
my response...."a real motor"

[MJK]

Maddie,

This world needs more women like you!

Love your Z28...Black clean and to the point!

[DubyaSsixTA]

Also compare the amount of V6 stangs to the V8 models and they will outnumber them easily. Around here, there's a ton of base models, modest number of Gt's, and a very small number of cobras. As far as F-bodies......a few. More than the # of cobras, less than the # of Gt's, and I'm speaking of V6 and V8 models. Mustang is more "refined", the F-body is more macho.

[Red Devil]

u guys need to start hangin around girls that know about cars and not just how comfortable they are and how they look lol....

Generally speaking, what else is there to 'know' about a car? That's what the demographic wants. Hell, even the male demographic doesn't 'know' about cars overall. Ford happened to hit it well as well as put something on the road that the enthusiasts liked, and was easy to work on.

[camarogrrrl]

Generally speaking, what else is there to 'know' about a car?


but why would u buy a sports car for comfort??? Yes appearance matters....But a performance car needs to have power...Not just looks

[MJK]

but why would u buy a sports car for comfort??? Yes appearance matters....But a performance car needs to have power...Not just looks

I agree with you...and most on the forum will agree with you...

Most people though seem to buy these cars for "Image"..Now,I bet that same group of people will care greatly about comfort,flashy wheels and thumpin' systems and regularly tune in to "Pimp my Ride" :D...

I have always thought that myself....Why make the V6 models of these cars?Because unlike us (the enthusiasts),the general public doesn't "know cars" as well as we do...They just know what feels good (comfort) and looks good (image)....

Another thing to look at is price of course but,for the price of a V6 Mustang or F-Body I would rather get a Comfy ("another brick in the wall type of vehicle) car and not have to deal with the short comings of Mustangs and F-bodies WITHOUT the power...Thats just wrong to me...

[Chris 96 WS6]

I have always thought that myself....Why make the V6 models of these cars?Because unlike us (the enthusiasts),the general public doesn't "know cars" as well as we do...They just know what feels good (comfort) and looks good (image)....


Because the V6 cars are the volume models and the V8 versions are not profitable on their own.

[Red Devil]

Which would bring me back to my stated points. See? Styling and comfort > raw power. GM fumbled. Ford won the numbers and reputation.

This is of course overlooking the fact that the mustang generally was easier to work on and get power from until the mid 90's.

[ThrashN]

Because Mustangs rule.

--Puts on flame suit--

Flame away

[Iroc313]

Because Mustangs rule.

--Puts on flame suit--

Flame away
uh oh you bout to get pounded :)

[02lilredSS]

i personally hate mustangs always have i dont care if its faster than my car...im a chevy person and i think most people wanna fit in so they go out and buy a mustang to be cool like everyone else imo....they are everywhere....i cant count how many old guys, dumb chicken heads and wanna be cool guys i see driving them....i think its so funny when i pull up next to em and i see them checkin out my car and then they try to race me and get left in the dust...then pull up to me at the next set of lights and are like " holy sh*t what do u have in that thing" hahahahahahaha
my response...."a real motor"

I hate using the quote thing, but damn grrrl you hit it on 'd head!!! :)

"Dime A Dozen", Stangs are everywhere!

[MJK]

Because the V6 cars are the volume models and the V8 versions are not profitable on their own.

I know man...I kinda answered my own question by saying,

"Because unlike us (the enthusiasts),the general public doesn't "know cars" as well as we do...They just know what feels good (comfort) and looks good (image)...."

The General public being the ones who buy the V6 models which of course are the bulk of sales...Sorry,I sometimes even confuse myself. I think. :confused:

[MJK]

Because Mustangs rule.

--Puts on flame suit--

Flame away

:twak: :D

[sfranger275]

[B]2002 T/A versus 2002 mustang gt convertable both still factory built no mods, both drivers being of equal stats wich is faster in 1/4 and in the 1/8

[Chris 96 WS6]

[B]2002 T/A versus 2002 mustang gt convertable both still factory built no mods, both drivers being of equal stats wich is faster in 1/4 and in the 1/8

This is a non-race since the TA has about 70hp at the wheels on the mustang......

[johntom]

mustangs look good and everything but i love driving GM vehicles, they kill in performance and cool little features and everything, tell me, do mustangs come from the factory with heads up display? nope, but there are alotta GM's that do

[quiet_storm98]

there are many reasons that mustangs sell more...one of the main reasons is that believe it or not alot of people dont know that camaros are actually pretty fast. there have been alot of times that i have beat up on an import or something and they are surprised as if they didn't know camaros are fast. I even remember one time at one of my old jobs some people were sitting around talking about mustangs and when i told them a camaro or trans am would kill a mustang they looked at me like i was crazy and then when i showed them the stats on the internet they just looked surprised. As for the girls liking mustangs more..i dunno about that one because i get compliments everyday from girls who love my car and actually think it is brand new

[nnolan]

Plus the mustangs were marketed more towards the younger kid scene. There was an article in super chevy in 02 about why they were discontinueing the f-bodys and why sales were down. From what they said the sales men were thinking more about safety and were aprehensive to put a 16 year old in a 300 hp car, where as that same 16 year old could walk down the road and have no problem with getting a new mustang gt, for cheaper too. I dont know how true that was but thats what I read.

[NviouSS]

i like the styling of the stang but it lacks in the power dept.

my old stang
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/NviouSS/SS%20pics/roush3.jpg

my SS
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/NviouSS/SS%20pics/park3.jpg

[mach83]

I have a Firebird book that explains the decrease in sales was (as mentioined) it's inability to appeal to female drivers. The way they were getting designed was too low to the ground and hard to get in and out of. Especially if woman had dress's on etc. Not to mention there was a sense of the firebird and camaro going down the Corvette road with it's main goal on muscle and performance. That's what i've read

[Chris 96 WS6]

I have a Firebird book that explains the decrease in sales was (as mentioined) it's inability to appeal to female drivers. The way they were getting designed was too low to the ground and hard to get in and out of. Especially if woman had dress's on etc. Not to mention there was a sense of the firebird and camaro going down the Corvette road with it's main goal on muscle and performance. That's what i've read

That was a big part of it. Plus the V6 cars were neglected. Women buy most of the V6s, and Mustang has always had neat packages for the V6. The F-body V6s at the end were very bland cars.

[94formula]

i think mustangs are more popular because of the price, and even the people that dont know cars think oh its a mustang they are good,, but really it all boils down to true american muscle, camaro SS or T/A are the way to go, i hope its not just me but if you pull up in a rarer car than a mustang your gonna get noticed more. i think the only good mustang ever made was the 03-04 cobras and they are still to expensive for a young guy like me.

[mach83]

Don't misquote me hear because i LOVE Corvettes. But on the "uniqueness" of Trans Ams and Firebirds, at least around here (upstate NY), i think the Firebirds get more looks then vetts, mustangs, and camaros. I'm not saying it because i have one. But Firebird (especially 4th gen) are rare up here. A lot of vett's and mustangs. Mustangs are a dime a a dozen up here. Even the 05's. And 90% of them are V-6's :eek: . That's the scene as i've noticed up here. I'd love a Vette though :thumbsup:

[camarojoe1991]

Found
On
Road
Dead

[CamaroJake]

I drive a 2000 orange/red mustang all the time around town, and i get more looks/comments then i did when i drove anything else... accept my gift from god in my driveway. :lol:

[Eric94formula]

Friend of mine has 03 cobra with smaller pulley for more boost and aftermarket exhaust.reprogramming done on chip put down 594 rwhp on chassis dyno...saw it myself or would not have believed him...I can't say why ealier mustangs were popular but daily driver with basicly 600hp for about $1600 worth of bolt on stuff is nice

[NXNitrousMustang]

how come mustangs get more popular than the camaros. when a z28 camaro pretty much beats the hell out of it in every aspect handling accel etcc... i dont know y that is. i mean they look cool but i think a ws6 or SS puts it to shame on the looks but maybe thats just me.. just wonderign y the mustang does so well

Tired, but will post anyway, so I apologize ahead for typos. ;)

1. Looks: I liked the last TA's, but the Camaro doesn't do it for me. Too plain and wedge looking.

2. Options: [5.0 GT, Cobra, Cobra R] (4.6L GT, Bullit, Mach1, Cobra, Cobra R, GT500) etc.

3. Sound: The Mustang GT/Cobra just sounds better than a Camaro/TA.

4. Performance: The late model V6/GT clearly lose here, but we have options of a Cobra, and mods to put us at any level we want/can afford.

5. Comfort: The Mustang has a way more comfy interior and feels like it rides a lot better. To me, the Mustang feels more like a sports car should than the camaro. The camaro also feels too long and bulky. I really hate that lump under the carpet on the passenger’s side too.

6. Price and still in production: Even when the camaro was still around, GT's were cheaper and easier to get. You could at least get one, and then later mod it to keep up with the competition. Cars like the 93 LX 5.0 were light, cheap, and easy to mod/work on.

What Mustang owners lusted over about the Fbody TA/Z28: big cid 275hp engine and bullit proof 6 speed or automatics that are strong and don't kill performance. It seemed 96-98 GT's with an auto ran .50sec slower than stick GT cars (mine did).

The Mustang is still here, has many price ranges, and performance options with great after-market support, so until another sexy affordable and great performing car comes along with a V8, I'll keep Mustangs and won't be trading camps.

If Chevy makes a hot looking, good handling, light weight, fast V8 rwd, and comfortable car that feels as good as it looks and performs when driving it, and smokes the Mustang in it's price range, I'll gladly switch camps to get away from Fords a while.:thumbsup:

That is my 2cents! No flame intended.
John

[Red Devil]

John you missed my post. ;)

Ford's AOD sucks. I'm waiting for the one in the SHO to take a huge dump... if the cams don'r come apart first.

As for the sticks, I've never really had issues with the one in the Cobra, but I also don't drive like Fenster. :finger: