Is the mustang really faster?

[sidescrollin19]

I love the 2010 camaro, it looks sick and makes lots of power. The new mustang makes almost the same power it used to. A LS1 runs the same power pretty much.
But I have read multiple articles about "how heavy" the new camaro is and how the mustang is faster.
Is this actually true? I haven't drive either of the 2010s.While the amount of people who have actually raced the two is going to be really low I was hoping someone had some experience with it.

Really I mean, there is about a 300 or 400 lb weight different but nearly 100 more Horsepower. There is no damn way the mustang is faster. With some mods and weight shedding the V6 should be able to compete with the mustang.Is there really any truth to the Mustang being so much lighter that its faster than the new Camaro?

[Chris 96 WS6]

The rule of thumb is it takes about 10 hp more for every 100lb more in weight, so even being 400 lbs heavier, that's only 40 of the Camaro's extra 100hp.

[sidescrollin19]

and the Camaro is supposedly running 13s while the Mustang is running 13.5s. With all of these facts I don't understand how its so widespread and believed that the new Camaro is too heavy. I have also heard multiple times that its 4000 lbs, and its not its 3700.

[AmpTuttle]

I think it was Car and Driver or Motortrend did a comparison w/ the 3 new muscle cars. The Camaro is the fastest on the 1/4 mile.

[awizeking]

mustangs are never faster, base model vs base model nope sure not. it would take a new 40-60 thousand dollor mustang to be a LT1 LS1 fbody! let me put that amount in a TA or SS, there will be no compition!

[R3DLT1]

The Camaro is over all better than the Mustang.

Camaro SS runs 12.9 in the QT mile
Hennesey Camaro 12.1
The Mustang GT runs 13.5
Shelby Gt 500 runs 12.8
Super Snake 11.9-12.1

[sidescrollin19]

The Camaro is over all better than the Mustang.

Camaro SS runs 12.9 in the QT mile
Hennesey Camaro 12.1
The Mustang GT runs 13.5
Shelby Gt 500 runs 12.8
Super Snake 11.9-12.1

I saw a thread today of a SS with new exhaust, CAI and a bottle doing mid 11s. That all costs less than a Super snake or GT500. The need to put better tires on the Super snake if thats what its running because there are Two version a 600 hp and 700 hp. This Camaro got 526 on the bottle.

I agree its overall better, not just performance but looks, I was really really surprised when this turned into a production vehicles. It looks like a concept car or something. I love the throwback gauges in the center console and the overall lines of the car.
It looks good but I don't really agree with this "lets throw a plastic cover over the enginebay" crap. If and when I get one it will take that off and put some nice valve covers on.

[jbridwelltransam]

there is a comparison of all three. camaro, challenger, and mustang. I'm not sure if its the 2010 one but they give a pretty thorough checking of all the pros and cons. Should go check it out.

[Transamman25]

Hell most LT's at the track are out running the brand new "fast" mustangs. People say they are fast because Mustangs aren't use to seeing a 13 sec timeslip (except the o3-o4 cobra's)

[sidescrollin19]

Hell most LT's at the track are out running the brand new "fast" mustangs. People say they are fast because Mustangs aren't use to seeing a 13 sec timeslip (except the o3-o4 cobra's)
wtf?? I remember being in a thread or two where it was consistently said that the new mustangs beat 4th gens as sad as it is.
I really didn't believe that up till then but then I figured "hey its like 10 year new technology"

I think one was a "kill stories" thread where everyone was talking about how you needed at least a CAI and maybe catback or tune to run equal or past new mustangs.

I never really see them as a threat because so many girls and women drive them. Especially new ones. It used to be the same with last gen mustangs but now its usually carguys that drive them around. I was in one the other day...damn those things are cramped! Bumpin my head, wheres the Dashboard? I asked.

Anyways yeah, thats what I thought but I have also heard that the new mustangs can beat a LT stock for stock. Its still a brand new 20k+ car vs a good ol 2k-6k car.

[sidescrollin19]

there is a comparison of all three. camaro, challenger, and mustang. I'm not sure if its the 2010 one but they give a pretty thorough checking of all the pros and cons. Should go check it out.
should go check what out? Lol you described this whole thing to me then never said where it is or who wrote it.

[AliusV2]

I was taking I-65 to Birmingham AL in my 94 TA. I met up with about an 07 GT just before crossing about a one mile bridge in north Alabama outside of Decatur. We went from a rolling start at 60mph a few times. Every time I cruised by eventually. And there is nothing special done to my car except for running in open loop and no cat.

[99ls1fbody]

I murder brand new shitstangs!!! haha

[95Z]

Straight line I don't know how you compare the two, but when it comes to handling just don't bring it up, the 5th gens are a little weak in that area lol.

[sidescrollin19]

Straight line I don't know how you compare the two, but when it comes to handling just don't bring it up, the 5th gens are a little weak in that area lol.
i know I know they are big.
Hopefully UMP, Spohn, BMR, Hotchkis and everyone will have stuff out within a year or two though.

[R3DLT1]

I guess mustangs can be quick.

This lady at the track was running an 06 Mustang GT with bolt ons running 12.8.

[R3DLT1]

anything can be quick if u put money into it u know

[sidescrollin19]

yeah I know.
Thats why I hate it when people go "ford sucks" "chevy sucks" "mopars suck" etc when they are refrencing one beating another in a race or making more power if they aren't stock cars.
If you put a ****ing blower on your Dodge Dakota and beat a Mustang that doesn't mean ford sucks, just that you put enough money into you car.

I was talking about the Two new cars and whether or not the 4th gens are faster than 5th gen Mustangs and 2010s.

[PoormansVetteWS6]

Well according to Motor Trend - the 2010 Mustang GT had a time of 13.7 at 103.7 mph in the 1/4 mile which in turn is 2 tenths and 2 mph quicker then the `08 GT and say a `98 trans am does the 1/4 mile in around like a 13.4-13.6? i think? (dont quote me on that) So yea the 4th and 5th gen mustangs are actually not that bad for what they are.

[1995LT1TransAm]

Wow, you know why fords suck? because most Mustang owners are pricks and high egoed bastards. You don't want to compliment high egoed prick bastards do you? I was rebuilding a 350 last night and my buddies dad(major ford guy) was just rambling on about how its so much easier with a ford and how back in the day chevys and pontiacs couldnt even touch the ford 302. And of course the excuse they always fallback on. Chevy has a bigger engine so its not fair.

[Z guy]

The fact is that they were compared and the new camaro is only like 3or 5 seconds faster in the 1/4 however the mustang is supposed to be lighter and funner to handle.

[sidescrollin19]

Wow, you know why fords suck? because most Mustang owners are pricks and high egoed bastards. You don't want to compliment high egoed prick bastards do you? I was rebuilding a 350 last night and my buddies dad(major ford guy) was just rambling on about how its so much easier with a ford and how back in the day chevys and pontiacs couldnt even touch the ford 302. And of course the excuse they always fallback on. Chevy has a bigger engine so its not fair.
agreed. of the people i know GM guys are usually just fans of GM not hardcore "i wont drive anything else" mentality. Ford guys in my experience are douchebags who think everything else is complete crap.

Also , to that i say. Well I guess you think honda civics rock because the engine is smaller than your 302?

[xtreameracer]

there all junk!!! every car every truck, but which one do you like the best. thats how i look at it.

[sidescrollin19]

there all junk!!! every car every truck, but which one do you like the best. thats how i look at it.
what?? you hate all cars? why are you here lol.

[PoormansVetteWS6]

Wait wait wait lol Im not backing up Ford at all (even though economically they are doing WAY better then anyone else would imagined in the crappy economy) I mean im not really a Ford fan anymore, i was just saying the Mustang can hold its own and granted the new 2010 Mustang is a much better handling car then the previous generations. I like what they did with the 2010 Mustang thats all. Im not hating on Gm cars but im not hating on Mustangs either. I was just trying to throw out some tested numbers from Motor Trend thats all lol

[TorqueAddict]

everything ive seen show that the camaro outpreforms the mustang

[PoormansVetteWS6]

Oh no doubt the new camaro out performs the mustang hands down. I was just saying that the new mustang is no slouch the much anymore, they can be quick also.

[BLACK HAWK]

sure they are fast, but "showroom floor vs. showroom floor".... ford had to put a blower on to make'em faster over GM's all motor lt/ls series, but hey, mustangs do look cute in their own way :banana:

[PoormansVetteWS6]

Yea i definitely agree with that Black Hawk. lol

[sidescrollin19]

anyone know the deal on the new taurus? (was it the taurus)
I caught an add last night for a taurus or fusion of something with 365 hp.

Is Ford really going to make such an average looking sedan outpeform the mustang?

[BLACK HAWK]

the Taurus SHO has been around for awhile, it die a few years back but brought back to life

[shane]

I had a ford explorer it really sucked, i had to spend 4k in repairs in 3 years no joke. I think the new camaro is okay it dosent really look much like a 1st gen to me though. I think the new challenger has the best "retro" design, buts its expensive though.

[PoormansVetteWS6]

Its Ford`s attempt to try to make a V6 get the power of a V8 with a twin turbo setup. Its actually their EcoBoost program. They are also trying to just bring back the taurus name along with the SHO name to make that car sell. Thats why the Ford five-hundred didnt sell.....they rebadged it as the taurus until the new redesigned one comes out. And according to Ford...its going to make about 360 hp with the MPG of a V6. Should be an interesting sedan. Sure as hell looks nice for a Ford lol

[94 Z28]

so i did some searching because i to have been hearing that the 2010 mustangs are supposed to be FAST. Well after research the fastest time i saw for the mustang was a 13.5 at 102 but heres and article that test a 2010 camaro, 2010 mustang and 2009 challenger. long story short this article says camaro 13.0 @ 111 mustang 13.9 @ 102

[PoormansVetteWS6]

Yea thats pretty much what i said a few posts back. I didnt say they were fast at all.....but they are much better then what they were say in the pre`05 body style (excluding the `04 cobra of course). But i saw that Motor Trend did a 13.7 @103 so you in the same ball park as my numbers too that i found. So i agree, they are not fast....but they are improved by leaps and bounds when it comes to styling and technology. And i understand they are STILL behind the curve when it comes to keeping up with the Camaro lol I was just giving credit to both sides of the story here....yes the Camaro is faster then the Mustang.......but the Mustang is improved even though it falls a little short. :D

[sidescrollin19]

Its Ford`s attempt to try to make a V6 get the power of a V8 with a twin turbo setup. Its actually their EcoBoost program. They are also trying to just bring back the taurus name along with the SHO name to make that car sell. Thats why the Ford five-hundred didnt sell.....they rebadged it as the taurus until the new redesigned one comes out. And according to Ford...its going to make about 360 hp with the MPG of a V6. Should be an interesting sedan. Sure as hell looks nice for a Ford lol


i just saw the Ad. Had no clue it was a v6 or twin turbo. So the mileage would make sense then. probably isn't much faster if at all faster then the mustang if thats the case....wall of boost.
I don't really see the taurus coming back. Between the 500,taurus, Focus, fusion, and making the SUV taurus I think Ford has messed with its sedan names and design so much they won't really get another name to stick again.

[sidescrollin19]

I had a ford explorer it really sucked, i had to spend 4k in repairs in 3 years no joke. I think the new camaro is okay it dosent really look much like a 1st gen to me though. I think the new challenger has the best "retro" design, buts its expensive though.
the Ford explorer is a sorry excuse for a car. I have never had any good experience or heard of anything good from anyone else about it.

[PoormansVetteWS6]

No sidescrollin19........the 500 IS the Taurus lol. They had to rebadge the 500 after only 2 years it came out since no one was buying the unknown 500 back then. After Ford rebadged the 500 as the "new" Taurus, people started buying those along with the Fusion due to the fact that people knew the Taurus name way more then the 500 name badge. The new 2010 Tuarus and the Taurus SHO will come with a V6 i think...but i know for sure the Taurus SHO will come with a twin turbo V6, which will also be found soon enough in some other cars, like the Ford Flex and there has been talks of putting that same EcoBoost twin turbo V6 in the Mustang (to compete with the new 300hp V6 Camaro) and also offer this engine in the F-150 (i think it MIGHT be due to the fact that Ford backed out of the idea of putting a 4cylinder turbo deisel engine from either navastar or someone else)

[ACE]

Fat
Old
Retarded
Dude
Trying to blow more exhaust than motors......First thing ford needs to do is keep there blocks from knocking straight off the lot... Then try some horse power adders

[Greed4Speed]

The fact is that they were compared and the new camaro is only like 3or 5 seconds faster in the 1/4 however the mustang is supposed to be lighter and funner to handle.


3 or 5 seconds? So if the Camaro runs 13s then the Mustang runs 16s to 18's? I know you meant thenths. :D


The fact is that GM had a regular production 4 door sedan (G8 GXP) that would spank on Ford's pony car and a base V8 model in the GT that'll run with them. Unfortunately that got canned, but its still sad for Ford. Plus it costs the Mustang guys 2-3x as much to do a cam change as it does the GM cars. With the $ it takes for them to get cams done, we can be head and cam with $ left over.

[sidescrollin19]

3 or 5 seconds? So if the Camaro runs 13s then the Mustang runs 16s to 18's? I know you meant thenths. :D


The fact is that GM had a regular production 4 door sedan (G8 GXP) that would spank on Ford's pony car and a base V8 model in the GT that'll run with them. Unfortunately that got canned, but its still sad for Ford. Plus it costs the Mustang guys 2-3x as much to do a cam change as it does the GM cars. With the $ it takes for them to get cams done, we can be head and cam with $ left over.
agreed


Aslo you mustang guys need to think about what you say. Most of the comments about the new Mustang vs camaro is that the Mustang is slower but handles better which is better than a faster car with worse handling.

okay. By that statement all of you Stang fanboys should be ricers driving little bity cars with little bity engines because they are lighter weight, sometimes AWD, and have better handling.
So whats the deal then???

Also, which do you experience more in Day to day driving???? How ofter do you drift around ****ing corners ??? Exactly. How ofter do you get up to speed quickly to merge into a lane or pass someone?? Mhmmm......
From my experience handling as far as extremes is rarely noticed in Day to day driving, but horsepower...oh its noticeable.
Also the Camaro hasn't been out very long. There are mods for 3rd gen Fbodies to put C5 brakes on....so don't any of you people think that Suspension parts are going to be made to get rid of any problems???
UMI and Spohn are gonna be on it in no time.

The fact is on the street, cars drag race, thats how these ponies have always matched up. The likelyhood a SS and GT are gonna roll up and start doing laps is slim to none. BAW Stang is lighter and has Better Handling BAW. Just bullshit made up by fanboys as an excuse for being slow.

Btw I have nothing against the new mustang just idiot fanboys, Alot of Ford people tend to be total assholes for some reason. Generally speaking GM and Mopar guys can be friendly with anyone.
Im sure there will be suspension upgrades to come that will put a 2010 stang to shame at the track, but for now the Fbody continues to claim the streets over the soccer moms driving their ponys.

[Greed4Speed]

I can see it now, people meet up in a deserted parking lot and set up cones for some underground autocrossing.

[sidescrollin19]

I can see it now, people meet up in a deserted parking lot and set up cones for some underground autocrossing.
yeah seriously dude, some people make it seems like such a big deal, when talking about street cars its really not...
plus even cars that are total boats are fun to drive if they are fast.....Ahem Muscle cars??
I mean come on guys give it up, its not valid.


While waiting in line at the grocery store the other day I was reader a consumer report.

Of new sports cars, like the Camaro, Stang, Challenger, STI, etc. Consumer report picked the subaru and Stang.
The have a little checklist. The Camaro was better in nearly ever way according to them except the handling and view....like seriously?? These are the same people that think a Camaro runs a 13.6 and a mustang runs a 14. Why are these people even allowed to talk about cars. Not only is that embarassing for the camaro, but 14???? jesus, poor mustang.

speaking of street cones in parking lots. I have never done any Autocross in a parking lot like that but I stopped at one one time to talk with the guys there.
Most of them were Tuners, BMW guys, or GM guys. They all got along and noone talked stupid shit about each other cars. There was an older porsche there ripping it up too.:roflmao:

[meine96ws6]

Wow, pick up the motortrend with the comparison... The Camaro was cheaper then the stang and the R/t challenger.. and it was faster across the board..

so take a look... it will make you laugh..