stall 4 me?

[Hark_Z]

Hey guys my car is a 94 auto with 3.73 gears. My other mods are intake and exhaust, would a stall benefit me a lot? I figure right now my car is good for a 13.7 pass, maybe even 13.6 . Like the stalls are advertised, could I really get one to lower my et .5 secs lower than that?? It just seems like a long stretch but everyone swears how effective they are. I'd love to throw about $600 bucks down for a stall and run 13.2's! :) Just doesn't seem probable to me tho.. I also have no idea which stall to choose. I'm hearing Yank and Vig are the best. Apparently I need a 3000-3600. I'm really excited about gettin a stall guys so help me out with any input, thanks! :thumbsup:

[LiquidFire350]

need to know more on your overall plans for the car

but generally speaking, Yank, Vig, and Fuddle are good brands, and for an LT1 id say somewhere around 24-2800, i hear with an LT1 you dont need a big stall

[Hark_Z]

Far future I wanted to go H/C and No2 for major power adders wise. Next I was looking at doing LT's, then a stall, but maybe a stall 1st. I guess I have two questions now:

Say if I got a 3000 stall, just how much does it stall before it hits 3000?

Does a higher stall actually pull harder? Will a 3600 be a huge diff as compared to a 2400 for example.

[quickmedic1]

:D Far future I wanted to go H/C and No2 for major power adders wise. Next I was looking at doing LT's, then a stall, but maybe a stall 1st. I guess I have two questions now:

Say if I got a 3000 stall, just how much does it stall before it hits 3000?

Does a higher stall actually pull harder? Will a 3600 be a huge diff as compared to a 2400 for example.

This all depends on the cam selection you make. The stall converter just gets the motor reved to the operating range of the cam your using. Shift points, weight, and motor configuration all play a roll in the converter choice. If you have a stock converter now and chage to a higher stall you will love how the car leaps from the line. Providing of course that the car can get traction.

[quickmedic1]

Sorry for the double post....Damm.

EDIT: fixed it for you :)

[Hark_Z]

I was just like wow I got 3 new responses in like 8 mins, cool! LOL.

What your sayin makes sense to me, as far as a cam goes, I will prolly go GM847, CC306, or LE1/LE2.

Scientifically speaking, why is it so beneficial to stall all your power to a certain RPM?

edit: please don't direct me to a 3 page definition of STR, :).

[LiquidFire350]

you want to be at the RPM where your motor is making its power, which is why you need to know thinks like cam choise

[Hark_Z]

Sorry for the ignorance, if I own a 3200 stall and floor it from 1st, it will pretty much jump to 3200 and put me into my powerband like that huh?

If I punch it goin 60 it would downshift to 2nd at put me around 3200 too I'm assuming? I'm startin to understand it, a stall seems like a freakin sweet mod. I'll probably do this before headers.

[LiquidFire350]

Sorry for the ignorance, if I own a 3200 stall and floor it from 1st, it will pretty much jump to 3200 and put me into my powerband like that huh?
pretty much, if not 3200, right around there

If I punch it goin 60 it would downshift to 2nd at put me around 3200 too I'm assuming? I'm startin to understand it, a stall seems like a freakin sweet mod. I'll probably do this before headers.
im not sure on this one, ill have to double check it, all i know is at 55MPH and i floor it, im looking at the road and trying to correct for the fishtailling problem ive just created

[Hark_Z]

pretty much, if not 3200, right around there


im not sure on this one, ill have to double check it, all i know is at 55MPH and i floor it, im looking at the road and trying to correct for the fishtailling problem ive just created

Thanks for the input, can't wait. Just have to decide on what size stall now, and apprarently its essential to get a transcooler and shift kit, which seems expensive!

[CamTom12]

im not sure on this one, ill have to double check it, all i know is at 55MPH and i floor it, im looking at the road and trying to correct for the fishtailling problem ive just created

No, it doesn't make you jump to 3200 but it gives the shifts in the auto a little 'vagueness' which helps keep the motor out of the dreaded 'dead zones' after a shift

[quickmedic1]

Think of it as a pre set clutch for an automatic trans. Under full throttle it revs to its stall and boom!

[NBM2001z28]

Thanks for the input, can't wait. Just have to decide on what size stall now, and apprarently its essential to get a transcooler and shift kit, which seems expensive!
If you're going to go with one of those cams, You should be ok with something around 3000-3200. I would personally stay away from the Vigs though. They feel sloppy after you are modded from stock. I'm speaking from ls1 experience, but with a 3400 in a stock z28, they're ok. With the 420rwhp, the converter feels like shit. Liquidfire has my old converter and trans, and it hits very hard. I'm defiantely not suprised he has problems at like 55 mph with those winter tires :thumbsup: Where are you located too by the way?

[Hark_Z]

If you're going to go with one of those cams, You should be ok with something around 3000-3200. I would personally stay away from the Vigs though. They feel sloppy after you are modded from stock. I'm speaking from ls1 experience, but with a 3400 in a stock z28, they're ok. With the 420rwhp, the converter feels like shit. Liquidfire has my old converter and trans, and it hits very hard. I'm defiantely not suprised he has problems at like 55 mph with those winter tires :thumbsup: Where are you located too by the way?

located at St Louis

[LiquidFire350]

Liquidfire has my old converter and trans, and it hits very hard. I'm defiantely not suprised he has problems at like 55 mph with those winter tires :thumbsup: Where are you located too by the way?
:roflmao: yea i know its gonna be a different story with the wider summer tires, but i cant help it its soooo fun

oh and i thought you said Vig's are ok, they just stall out higher than advertised

[Chris 96 WS6]

Vigilante's aren't as efficient as some other brands. So you lose more HP through slippage than say the same stall speed Yank. However, Vig's are basically bulletproof IMO, so its a tradeoff.

[Hark_Z]

Vigilante's aren't as efficient as some other brands. So you lose more HP through slippage than say the same stall speed Yank. However, Vig's are basically bulletproof IMO, so its a tradeoff.

So the the Yanks retain HP but aren't very strong?

[Chris 96 WS6]

I didn't say that. The Yanks are great too. I don't know as much about how they are built so I can't really speak about the Yank quality.

I used to own a Vig though, and I can say they are built very well and have great guts in them.

[Hark_Z]

It's just a strange picture to me, My car has intake and exhaust and is tuned with 3.73's. I know my car is capable of 13.7's. It probably has about 240ish to the wheels. Not only are the gears releaving me off a little HP but a stall will also. It's like my 3450 lb Z28 with 240ish whp can run 13.1's or close to it! Maybe 12's w/ slicks... Weird but cool thought I suppose. It's like the car will be all about the torque then the reving of the tranny :) No HP!

[ryanws6]

I did some research and found what looks like an awsome TQ made by Raptor.
They give you torque options and ask for all eng/car specs and they custom make one for your aplication. Plus it is around the same price as the mas produced TQs. None of this is cheap But that is what I'm going to buy soon.

[LiquidFire350]

nothing agaisnt them, but ive never heard of Raptor, ive got a Fuddle, ive never had one before so i dont have anything to compare it to except the stock one. but i bought mine used and havent had any problems with it, plus Fuddle still honors the warrenty after we took it out of mike's car and put it in mine. before you spend your money, id check them out

[Hark_Z]

Recently bought nitrous so there went all my money...stall is still next though. I have heard that about fuddle too, say if you buy a fuddle TC from somebody and arent satisfied with it, you can tell fuddle and they will replace it for you straight up, that's great service!

[Chris 96 WS6]

I did some research and found what looks like an awsome TQ made by Raptor.
They give you torque options and ask for all eng/car specs and they custom make one for your aplication. Plus it is around the same price as the mas produced TQs. None of this is cheap But that is what I'm going to buy soon.

Just be sure the parts aren't mass produced. Some of the cheaper companies use OEM internals and even OEM housings....some are even bastardized.

Check this out: http://www.converter.com/whatsnew.htm
http://www.converter.com/truth_prices.htm