for shame on us for missing this news!!!

[Jaberwaki]

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=510960&prmenbr=361


dart is making there break into the LSx world with a new casting, flow numbers are on par with the big boys and the best part... LOOK AT THE PRICE!!!!! :eek:

1280 gets you these!!! thats half what i paid for my AFR 205's :(

i might be switching up brands if the dyno results and track times prove to be as good... :thumbsup:

[LiquidFire350]

i dont know too much about heads but i always heard Dart was the way to go with old school muscle cars

[Jaberwaki]

dart has been making killer heads longer then most of us have been alive...

[gettinthere]

Looks good! But remember, big flow numbers aren't everything.

[Jaberwaki]

read up on em dude... not just great flow numbers...
they are also small CC ports. and AFR showed us EXACTLY why you want that...

port velocity. so these things flow big(even as cast) and have killer port velocity. the design of the combustion chamber looks very good (expected from DART ) and for the price of AFR heads you can get these and have them hand finished...

the only thing that remains is for a few vendors to try them out and see if they are the real deal...
If they perform on par with AFR and hand blended 5.3's then other companies will HAVE to lower there prices... ;) (except of cource for ET because they are geared toward race cars)

[gettinthere]

Like I said, they look great. I just shake my head when everyone gets caught up on peak numbers. I know you know better, but some people don't. Port velocity is where is at.

Hell, my heads only flow 274.

[Nick@VictoryRacing]

I had this head in my hands a few hours ago, and it was an un-assembled piece at that so I got to poke and prod an actual head.

Very nice looking chambers, water passages are same size as production (not an issue as thought), weight is similar to stock, looking it over they took a CNC production head they liked and had it cast.

It is a very quality casting and should make great power. Deffinitely a value for the dollar.

[Jaberwaki]

you know this makes me VERY happy :D

[josh99ta]

So would these need to be hand finished to make good power or can you just bolt them on out of the box and pick up what you'd normally pick up with any other good head (or even pick up as much as you would with a great head like AFRs)?

I've got a 221/221 .558/.558 112+4 cam on my stock cid LS1. I'm wondering how much power and drop in ET I could expect with out-of-the-box Dart LS1 heads. I know very little about head information, I really need to learn some things. Just wondering if these would be the way to go for a good head for somoene on a budget.

[gettinthere]

So would these need to be hand finished to make good power or can you just bolt them on out of the box and pick up what you'd normally pick up with any other good head (or even pick up as much as you would with a great head like AFRs)?

I've got a 221/221 .558/.558 112+4 cam on my stock cid LS1. I'm wondering how much power and drop in ET I could expect with out-of-the-box Dart LS1 heads. I know very little about head information, I really need to learn some things. Just wondering if these would be the way to go for a good head for somoene on a budget.


With your cam the 205's would work nicely.

[josh99ta]

TEA and AFR throw out stuff like 40rwhp gains over my stock 853 castings. Could I expect similar gains with the Dart 205s? I'm at 335rwhp right now. With a pulley and LS6 intake I'm hoping for 355rwhp. With heads I'd like to be close to 400rwhp. Then maybe a few little small things to put me up and over that (I think 400rwhp + stalled A4 is a good combo). :) I'd really be looking for 380-390, but I'd like to make the same power the big auto cam only cars are making with much better street manners. I know heads are my ticket for most of that power I'm looking to make.

[gettinthere]

TEA and AFR throw out stuff like 40rwhp gains over my stock 853 castings. Could I expect similar gains with the Dart 205s? I'm at 335rwhp right now. With a pulley and LS6 intake I'm hoping for 355rwhp. With heads I'd like to be close to 400rwhp. Then maybe a few little small things to put me up and over that (I think 400rwhp + stalled A4 is a good combo). :) I'd really be looking for 380-390, but I'd like to make the same power the big auto cam only cars are making with much better street manners. I know heads are my ticket for most of that power I'm looking to make.


I'd say that 390 should be easily attainable.

[josh99ta]

Then I'm just an EWP or slightly bigger cam away from 400rwhp, but I'd like to keep the little MTI T1 cam, keep it old school. The little bitty thing sounds alot bigger than it really is and I like the choppier idle but the driveability of the smaller cam.

Better question, would a FAST 78 or FAST 90 setup give me those 10 extra horses over the LS6 intake to get me my 400rwhp goal?

gomer from LS1Tech does my tuning by the way, so I'm in good hands on that front.

[Raven02Ta]

arent they all back oredered til november?

[Jaberwaki]

i have not heard that... where did you get that info raven?

[Raven02Ta]

I called to order 2 sets, i called summit, jegs, and i called dart......

[Raven02Ta]

the first batch of 30 was sold and the next batch of 300 in november is sold......

[Nick@VictoryRacing]

I just got off the phone with my guys at DART I can have heads by Mid-October, call me to place your order.

[Raven02Ta]

cool, im going to have the guy actually payin for it give you a call im just the installer..... im sure you'll like to see what these will do on a STS turbo charged 408 formula....

[Jaberwaki]

should be a SICK car raven... make sure he makes a trip up to the farm and we can set the actual measurements on his suspention up... (which we still need to do for yours so bring yours up too) i think that may have had more to do with your traction issues the last time out then anything...
i think the preload set on your drag sway bar was wronge...

[Raven02Ta]

Josh and I already took care of my measurements ;) dont worry i will still have to do it to the turbo car when i put the big sway bar in it.... but alas spohn couldnt get it to me fast enough. i will be running the turbo car on friday so we'll see what happens on her shakedowns.....at only 10 psi..... wish i could bump it to 20 at least.... :(

[Jaberwaki]

boy you are on kinda late aint ya?

make sure someone gets some video of your runs... i wanna see...

[Raven02Ta]

I just got home from cleaning up the wiring mess under the hood of the turbo car that a certain reputable local shop did. anyway. did that put the motor together started it yada yada..... running good. lost some weight on the car. and Josh and i have been trying to fit this new bumper cover.....

check out these pics..... little intimidating....
http://community.webshots.com/photo/455957305/455962077QObAMv

http://community.webshots.com/photo/455957305/455958943qQpLzj

Still have to grind the calipers and she can go back in the trailer..... almost done... for the week.....

[Jaberwaki]

whatcha do with the old bumper cover??? ;)

[Raven02Ta]

we still have it sittin in the box it came in. we might have to send this POS firebird Evolution bumper back tho..... its 5 inches off side to side.... .its heavy and made of fiberglass it might break if we try to flex it. i talked with the guy who makes them he said to send it back if we cant get it to work and he'll send another.

[Jaberwaki]

dang it, i still need a bumper cover :(

[Nick@VictoryRacing]

cool, im going to have the guy actually payin for it give you a call im just the installer..... im sure you'll like to see what these will do on a STS turbo charged 408 formula....


Car should be a lot of fun and it will be a great test of the heads I think.

What is the other set for?

[Jaberwaki]

What is the other set for?

his continued febal attemps to beat me :poke: :lol:


Raven and i are best of friends/brothers and bitterest of rivals... but as it stand right now i got more wins on him :devil:

of cource the last 2 times he and i raced,
1. costed me a street racing ticket :eek:
2. at the track costed me my shortblock :poke:

now i am scared to race him... not because i think he will win, but because i dont wanna know what else is gonna happen to me....

[Raven02Ta]

Nick one set of heads is for the turbo formula and the other will be for a guy thats just doing a head and cam swap he just dont have the money for em yet

[Jaberwaki]

Nick one set of heads is for the turbo formula and the other will be for a guy thats just doing a head and cam swap he just dont have the money for em yet


dang it , when you gonna getta set of real heads :poke: